VAR thread 2022/23

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These circular arguments are doing my head in.

The position that the 90% of not-insane posters have, I think, is this:

* VAR was introduced with good intentions (as was FFP originally!)
* it has had some benefits: eg the number of outrageously wrong decisions has decreased significantly (which was the whole point at the beginning), some player behaviour has changed for the better.

On the other hand,

* implementation in the PL has lacked consistency (for example: VAR judgement rather than referee review, similar incidents in different games giving different outcomes, objective decisions Vs subjective, VAR set-ups at different grounds etc).
* implementation has lacked transparency and will do until ref/VAR comms are made available in real time.
* the combination of inconsistency and opacity leads naturally in a football fan environment to accusations of bias/incompetence/corruption for whatever reason.
* there has been a negative effect on match-going experience: spontaneity of goal celebrations, confusion over VAR reviews, VAR-related delays, etc.

We can also probably agree that even if VAR was perfect we would still argue about decisions because some people don't, or don't want to, understand some rules.

Is that fair?
 
halfcenturyup said:
These circular arguments are doing my head in.

The position that the 90% of not-insane posters have, I think, is this:

* VAR was introduced with good intentions (as was FFP originally!)
* it has had some benefits: eg the number of outrageously wrong decisions has decreased significantly (which was the whole point at the beginning), some player behaviour has changed for the better.

On the other hand,

* implementation in the PL has lacked consistency (for example: VAR judgement rather than referee review, similar incidents in different games giving different outcomes, objective decisions Vs subjective, VAR set-ups at different grounds etc).
* implementation has lacked transparency and will do until ref/VAR comms are made available in real time.
* the combination of inconsistency and opacity leads naturally in a football fan environment to accusations of bias/incompetence/corruption for whatever reason.
* there has been a negative effect on match-going experience: spontaneity of goal celebrations, confusion over VAR reviews, VAR-related delays, etc.

We can also probably agree that even if VAR was perfect we would still argue about decisions because some people don't, or don't want to, understand some rules.

Is that fair?
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That's fair
 
SebastianBlue said:
Back to discussing the topic of the thread.

Let's all refrain from WUM behaviour like labelling other members part of a "conspiracy brigade".

Further posting of that sort may lead to thread ban.
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For those labelling Anti Vax members as part of the 'conspiracy brigade' - would that lead to a potential thread ban also ?
 
How is it some cup games have var and others dont ? Shirley it would be fairer for no games, regardless of if it is a prem team or not , to not have it used
 
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