VAR thread 2022/23

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I would question the role of the 'match commander' that is said to exist within the VAR team. I believe his decisions are made to make the game the most interesting it can be (the most sell-able) regardless of the right decision. United v Brighton, it's 2-0, United have just brought Ronaldo on and the crowd are now up for it, thousands of United fans all over the World are sat there hopeful of comeback now that their hero is introduced - Wellbeck getting fouled in the area and being awarded a penalty would ruin all that, so it wasn't given - but, and a bit but, United were too shit to benefit.
 
GAZZA said:
I would question the role of the 'match commander' that is said to exist within the VAR team. I believe his decisions are made to make the game the most interesting it can be (the most sell-able) regardless of the right decision. United v Brighton, it's 2-0, United have just brought Ronaldo on and the crowd are now up for it, thousands of United fans all over the World are sat there hopeful of comeback now that their hero is introduced - Wellbeck getting fouled in the area and being awarded a penalty would ruin all that, so it wasn't given - but, and a bit but, United were too shit to benefit.
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Nah we don't know any of that.


Annoying that we know hardly enough about what goes on in the var room.

Maybe we will find out when they start giving us the selected and probably edited recordings of the decision making.
 
GAZZA said:
I would question the role of the 'match commander' that is said to exist within the VAR team. I believe his decisions are made to make the game the most interesting it can be (the most sell-able) regardless of the right decision. United v Brighton, it's 2-0, United have just brought Ronaldo on and the crowd are now up for it, thousands of United fans all over the World are sat there hopeful of comeback now that their hero is introduced - Wellbeck getting fouled in the area and being awarded a penalty would ruin all that, so it wasn't given - but, and a bit but, United were too shit to benefit.
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Yet without VAR - the ref could just have awarded a penalty he saw from a corner for Man Utd , any tussle will do. Far more easier to manipulate the outcome without VAR
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
WTF?!

The whole VAR sham has been rushed into use from the start, seemingly with little or no thought given to implications regarding its use (eg. Speed of players vs camera frame rate - mm tolerance in offside decisions) followed by numerous law changes, yearly amendments to the VAR protocol usage ...etc...etc...etc... and it's STILL in it's teething period FOUR YEARS after it's introduction!

And you have the audacity to say "be patient, they have to get it right before they introduce it"

You're a joke pal!
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They will never “get it right.” For as long as it exists it will be a never ending exercise in adapting and tinkering to try and improve. The NFL have had 50 years of trying to “get it right” and it’s still as contentious as ever.
 
GAZZA said:
I would question the role of the 'match commander' that is said to exist within the VAR team. I believe his decisions are made to make the game the most interesting it can be (the most sell-able) regardless of the right decision. United v Brighton, it's 2-0, United have just brought Ronaldo on and the crowd are now up for it, thousands of United fans all over the World are sat there hopeful of comeback now that their hero is introduced - Wellbeck getting fouled in the area and being awarded a penalty would ruin all that, so it wasn't given - but, and a bit but, United were too shit to benefit.
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I hate VAR but...... @richardtheref answered this for me some time ago. There is no such thing as a match commander. It was something the media introduced in an article regarding a disgraceful decision (against City - who would have guessed!)
I am happy to accept R the R's statement that it was a load of shite and that there isn't one.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yet without VAR - the ref could just have awarded a penalty he saw from a corner for Man Utd , any tussle will do. Far more easier to manipulate the outcome without VAR
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Hypotheticals is all you've got pal.
They could do "this" without VAR, they could do "that" without VAR.
You never really comment about what they actually did WITH VAR, other than saying that it was worse before with ALL those blatantly offside goals and dives for penalties.

But now we've got mm offside goals given or not given (all manipulated by frame selection), and the "I don't think there was "enough" contact" vs "oh, that's a blatant foul". It's just swapping one set out and another set in.
VAR is a fucking SHAM!
It's just the same shit as it always was, corruption designed to manipulate, but now with a shiny new toy to fool the gullible.

VAR is a sham and the evidence is staring you squarely in the face.
 
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the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
Hypotheticals is all you've got pal.
They could do "this" without VAR, they could do "that" without VAR.
You never really comment about what they actually did, other than saying that it was worse before with ALL those blatantly offside goals and dives for penalties.

But now we've got mm offside goals given or not given (all manipulated by frame selection), and "I don't think there was "enough" contact vs "oh, that's a blatant foul".
VAR is a fucking SHAM!
It's just the same shit as it always was, corruption designed to manipulate, but now with a shiny new toy to fool the gullible.

VAR is a sham and the evidence is staring you squarely in the face.
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Must be awful having this mindset watching the Sport
 
BlueHammer85 said:
I'm not here to defend VAR no matter what, I've said many times there will always be incidences where they simply get it wrong - I think that will always be the case, in fact, it will always be the case.

If I had to guess, I'd say VAR looked at that and saw Welbeck going away from goal and collision not enough to warrant a penalty if the Ref didn't think it was either.... - for me, its a pen

Cucurella hair pull - not seen it, but this has been explained :

VAR cannot advise that a referee has missed a general free-kick offence in open play that doesn't lead directly to a goal or penalty. If the referee misses a foul in the lead-up to a corner, the VAR cannot tell the referee to cancel that set piece. If the team then scores from that corner, the goal cannot be disallowed. The only way the VAR can get involved in this situation is if they feel there has been a red-card offence.

Hair pulling is rare, and isn't specifically covered within the Laws of the Game so comes under either violent conduct or unsporting behaviour, depending on the specifics, though the mere act isn't an automatic dismissal. But when off the ball and with force it would be considered by most referees to be a red card.


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My turn,

can you explain to me why this wasn't a penalty ?

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Same stuff with VAR, explain this not being red carded with VAR
 
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