VAR thread 2022/23

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bluenova said:
Here are a few mentions from the 1st page on a google search. Pretty sure, it would have been in every newspaper, and sports website.

www.espn.co.uk

The ultimate guide to VAR in the Premier League - all your questions answered

Want to understand exactly how VAR works in the Premier League and other competitions? This is your one-stop shop for all your questions.
www.espn.co.uk www.espn.co.uk

www.dailymail.co.uk

Premier League bid to change controversial offside line system on VAR

EXCLUSIVE BY JAMES SHARPE: The Premier League are planning a renewed attempt to persuade FIFA to allow a 'margin of error' on the tight offsides that continue to plague the game.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

www.90min.com

Premier League to use thicker lines for VAR offside decisions next season

Premier League video assistant referees will use thicker lines in order to determine offside calls next season. The use of VAR has come in for plenty of critici
www.90min.com www.90min.com

www.independent.co.uk

New Premier League VAR rules explained ahead of upcoming season

Rules around offside, handball and ‘streetwise’ penalty plays have all been tweaked
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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Yeah but apart from all of those…
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
There are much easier ways to fix a game.

But the odd VAR 'glitch' would go relatively unnoticed because the operators (who incidentally have invested £Millions in the technology) are't going to say anything because that would be essentially admitting that the system they claimed was accurate can't be relied upon.

Say it happens 10-20 time a season, different teams, in matches that don't effect promotion/relegation/the title/CL places. Those kind of patterns are incredibly difficult to spot, and as long as they don't get too trigger happy, nobody is ever going to know. Someone being influence by a betting syndicate could do a lot of damage.
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But you'd only be able to do it in hindsight, so it would have to be a decision that is incorrectly awarded/flagged offside and goes the way you want. There are well over 1000 offside decisions in a season, but only 43 goal decisions were overturned for offside last season. So, unless you want to just do it for goals, which would stand out a mile, you'd need to be doing it a lot.

And I assume we're asking different operators to do it, so that there's no common link? And you're relying on the system creators not trying to investigate to make sure it doesn't happen again, because they're nervous about optics? Wouldn't they still try and work out behind the scenes, rather than spend the next ten years not sleeping as the conspiracy grew?

Seems like a lot of trouble, when you can probably just bung a League 1 player a few quid to run at 90% instead of 100% of their speed at the opportune moment :)
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
What for? Are yuou talking handballs? Or offside? Surely not fouls?
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I was specifically thinking about offside decisions. I agree fouls (including handball) require some amount of subjective decision making but the offside rule is straightforward and it should not be difficult to come up with an automated system to make a decision. Offsides also seem to generate the most controversy since the VAR ones always involve a goal standing or being disallowed.
 
Cheer Up Peter Reid said:
I was specifically thinking about offside decisions. I agree fouls (including handball) require some amount of subjective decision making but the offside rule is straightforward and it should not be difficult to come up with an automated system to make a decision. Offsides also seem to generate the most controversy since the VAR ones always involve a goal standing or being disallowed.
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Totally agree with you about the relevant decisions. My issue with VAR is why do some offside decisions take a few seconds but similar decisions take a couple of minutes? I can understand subjective decisions taking a little longer but surely the outcome of an offside goal should be consistent. If it is not then why does it take longer?
 
Mr Dean says fuck all about Trippier. His whole column justifying why Gashfords goal was allowed and Jesus at Bournemouth wasn't.

I don't want to link it as it's the Daily Heil.
 
jjctid said:
Totally agree with you about the relevant decisions. My issue with VAR is why do some offside decisions take a few seconds but similar decisions take a couple of minutes? I can understand subjective decisions taking a little longer but surely the outcome of an offside goal should be consistent. If it is not then why does it take longer?
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Seeing as the one on Monday was so close, every decision now should be done in a similar timeline, as in, less than 30 seconds.

Anything other, especially when the margin is a little more, then we have to be asking why.
 
bluenova said:
I believe that wouldn't be an issue.

The FA site says, "The starting point for a phase of play that leads to a goal or penalty incident will be limited to the immediate phase and not necessarily go back to when the attacking team gained possession. Other factors for consideration will be the ability of the defence to reset and the momentum of the attack."

In your situation, I would guess that the KdB foul doesn't affect anything because the defending team have had time to reset. Pretty sure phases are quite short usually.

I remember there being a discussion before VAR was introduced, where the teams agreed that they didn't want to go back very far from a goal (doesn't stop them complaining now obviously).
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Apologies @bluenova It was meant to be a joke, rag hoofball easy for var, City's 600 passes until the defence fall asleep, dead hard for var.
 
bluealf said:
Handball by Utd not given after VAR review, handballs it three times in the one move.

Not corrupt, just a different interpretation of the handball rule (when the team is man utd)
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Amazing that in 4 games Var has missed the nailed on penalty to Brighton, not overruled McTominays yellow to red in the same game, allowed the offside goal v Dippers where other goals inc the same weekend have been ruled out for less offsides and not awarded a penalty today for handball. All decisions in the Rags favour. Stinks of the PL Brand
 
hertsblue said:
Amazing that in 4 games Var has missed the nailed on penalty to Brighton, not overruled McTominays yellow to red in the same game, allowed the offside goal v Dippers where other goals inc the same weekend have been ruled out for less offsides and not awarded a penalty today for handball. All decisions in the Rags favour. Stinks of the PL Brand
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It isn't happening, it is a figment of our warped imaginations.
 
If VAR is such a good thing for the game why do we, and I would guess all other teams forums, have 94 pages on it? I would say that there is very little comments on any Rugby or cricket forums about video refs. That because it has been weponised in order to get the wanted results.
 
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RadcliffeRick said:
If VAR is such a good thing for the game why do we, and I would guess all other teams forums, have 94 pages on it? I would say that there is very little comments on any Rugby or cricket forums about video refs. That because it has been weponised in order to get the wanted results.
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Because people will accept factual decisions, but not subjective ones, especially ones that go against their own teams.
 
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