VAR thread 2022/23

[Blue Mist]

One referee deems it violent conduct/excessive force, another doesn’t.

The second referee then suggested the first has another look at the decision again.

The first referee then has the choice to stick or change his decision having reviewed it on the screen.

So one person has a different opinion it happens all the time. A different opinion is not a clear and obvious error.
If Bernie thumped Pope but the ref sent off Foden I could see the var ref getting involved. Not one opinion of two feet off the ground and out of control.
That's VAR running the game not the referee.
I am not against var per se, they had a perfectly good goal chalked off, VAR corrected it. That was fact not an opinion.

 

[Blue Mist]

Yes as I thought it was a yellow card challenge.

You said many posts ago that you could not debate on here because you were shouted down.
That post shows why you are shouted down.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Which is why I suggest they drop the wording clear and obvious and just ref each incident as they see it. If the ref and VAR disagree, they go to the screen and discuss the ruling.

Then there aren’t 10,000 posts on social media debating how clear clear is and how obvious obvious is.


This is the thing we are debating at the moment, isn’t it?

It's hardly a discussion when a Ref is told asked to go and look a the monitor. You could put your mortgage on the decision being overturned at that point.

 

[Eds]

A few questions arise out of this incident (let's forget the clusterfuck of other incorrect calls at other games this weekend).

1. Who now makes the actual final decision, the ref on the pitch or the guy in a room miles away
2. Having shown the red card where is the clear and obvious error that makes him change his mind
3. Despite being an experienced ref in Australia, he is very new to the PL and he was obviously influenced which isn't ideal
4. The precedent for this sort of foul was set last season with Allan and even the day before with the Rangers player being sent off for a less serious foul where he caught the player around ankle high with one foot off the ground

Having spoken to three refs yesterday, one a City fan the other two rags all three said the same. Having given the red card there is no clear and obvious reason to overturn the decision and likewise if he had have shown a yellow it wouldn't have then been upgraded to a red. The club should ask for the transcripts of the discussion between the ref and VAR to gain a better insight for the future.

And to remind all the doubters about what is a red card offence:

SERIOUS FOUL PLAY

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.

I would say that Trippier lunged at KDB, both feet were off the ground and being out of control was endangering the safety of the player. The challenge doesn't have to have excessive force.

 

[Blue Mist]

Thanks mate and cheers for the other nice comments.

There’s little point debating with BlueMist and a couple others here - I can and have posted well thought out balanced constructed point of views and criticised VAR on many occasions - but it’s never going to sit with someone who is convinced it’s all a conspiracy and won’t hear anything else - it’s like arguing with anti vaxxers , plus he has to keep up with his own angry online persona on here.

It’s clear, they will go mad for any decision that doesn’t go City’s way and be quiet for decisions that do go City’s way- same for most fans to be fair. We all wear our rose tinted specs from time to time.

As mentioned before, I’ll respond if I’m tagged in and it’s not some angry abusive post - if not I’ll stay clear and leave them to it

I don't normally read the crap you write but I read this one.
Oh how you love yourself with your well thought out, balanced posts....except they are crap.
I do not think it is a conspiracy against City. You just made that up. Newcastle had a perfectly good goal disallowed. Var did its job and it was awarded. I have no problem with that.
I have a problem when var is manipulating decisions. The red card was not a clear and obvious error. VAR should not have been involved.
Anyway as I haven’t tagged you, you won't be reading this so hopefully you will steer clear of this thread.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

You said many posts ago that you could not debate on here because you were shouted down.
That post shows why you are shouted down.

He literally asked my opinion on the challenge! I’m not sure how else I could answer apart from with my opinion.

This is also why it’s hard to debate on here as you are trying to stop me having my own opinion, whilst using aggressive syntax.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It's hardly a discussion when a Ref is told asked to go and look a the monitor. You could put your mortgage on the decision being overturned at that point.

You are now using the words that commentators use. If they replaced told to go to the screen to advised to take another look to see the other camera angles of the incident.

As I suggested before, if more decisions were sent to the monitor and the ref had the final say, I think most people would be happier.

 

[Paladin]

So one person has a different opinion it happens all the time. A different opinion is not a clear and obvious error.
If Bernie thumped Pope but the ref sent off Foden I could see the var ref getting involved. Not one opinion of two feet off the ground and out of control.
That's VAR running the game not the referee.
I am not against var per se, they had a perfectly good goal chalked off, VAR corrected it. That was fact not an opinion.

Correct. Opinions aren't usually wrong. It's possible to have a different opinion and both be valid. That's why VAR shouldn't intervene in matters of subjective opinion. It's like saying my opinion is better than yours. It isn't, is just different. VAR should be there to arbitrate on matters of fact, where errors of judgment can be made. Offside, mistaken identity, did he touch the ball or player etc.

 

[Blue Mist]

He literally asked my opinion on the challenge! I’m not sure how else I could answer apart from my opinion.

This is also why it’s hard to debate on here as you are trying to stop me having my own opinion, whilst using aggressive syntax.

No, the question was did the referee make a clear and obvious mistake. You replied that you think it was a yellow so yes he did. That is simply your opinion. The referee had an opinion as well. His was it was red. He didn't send the wrong man off, he didn't ignore the foul, both of which VAR could have intervened for clear and obvious, he saw a dangerous tackle which he deemed to be red.
Your opinion it's yellow, his was its red. It uis an opinion and so cannot come under the clear and obvious rule.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

No, the question was did the referee make a clear and obvious mistake. You replied that you think it was a yellow so yes he did. That is simply your opinion. The referee had an opinion as well. His was it was red. He didn't send the wrong man off, he didn't ignore the foul, both of which VAR could have intervened for clear and obvious, he saw a dangerous tackle which he deemed to be red.
Your opinion it's yellow, his was its red. It uis an opinion and so cannot come under the clear and obvious rule.

He asked me if the ref made a clear mistake. I said yes as I didn’t think it was a red card. That’s as clear and simply as I can put it.

It also makes my view obvious too.

You’re still trying to stop me having an opinion.