VAR thread 2022/23

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Alan Harper's Tash said:
That’s blatantly nonsense and a cop out answer.

You can’t debate VAR unless you’ve seen other games.
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I’ve seen the incidents in the exact same way you have unless you manage to watch 90 mins of every game each and every week?

You don’t in the same way I don’t so my answer is no cop out, you just don’t like it.
 
blueinsa said:
I’ve seen the incidents in the exact same way you have unless you manage to watch 90 mins of every game each and every week?

You don’t in the same way I don’t so my answer is no cop out, you just don’t like it.
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It makes no sense to me.

If I thought football was the same as wrestling, I’d watch as much football as I do wrestling.

So, despite you thinking the sport is bent, you spend an inordinate amount of time watching that sport in order that you can moan about it being bent.

Is that it?
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It makes no sense to me.

If I thought football was the same as wrestling, I’d watch as much football as I do wrestling.

So, despite you thinking the sport is bent, you spend an inordinate amount of time watching that sport in order that you can moan about it being bent.

Is that it?
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If you are unable to read my posts and comprehend that’s your problem mate.

I think you can and are just being a tad silly which I don’t blame you for as defending VAR and what is happening is almost impossible any longer.

Fair play to you and the appy hammer though as you fight the forlorn fight.
 
blueinsa said:
If you are unable to read my posts and comprehend that’s your problem mate.

I think you can and are just being a tad silly which I don’t blame you for as defending VAR and what is happening is almost impossible any longer.

Fair play to you and the appy hammer though as you fight the forlorn fight.
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Right back at you. It seems that saying that VAR isn’t necessarily bent means I’m pro-VAR.

You are watching a sport that makes you angry because you ”know” it’s corrupt.

Bizarre.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Right back at you. It seems that saying that VAR isn’t necessarily bent means I’m pro-VAR.

You are watching a sport that makes you angry because you ”know” it’s corrupt.

Bizarre.
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If it helps, i don't think there's an agenda against us or for any other team when it comes to var.
I watch football all the time
 
stonerblue said:
If it helps, i don't think there's an agenda against us or for any other team when it comes to var.
I watch football all the time
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I agree. VAR is nowhere near perfect. To suggest it has preconceived conclusions is madness though.

They don’t know what will need input until it happens.

Theres a stronger argument that the referee was more corrupt in stopping VAR getting involved in Coutinho’s offside last night.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Could you tell us why they were corrupt, rather than inept decisions?

I’m not sure anybody has even tried to say the decisions were wrong yesterday.

What are you trying to change about VAR? It seems you’re stuck on the manipulation element, rather than offering solutions barring communication.
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Perhaps you’ve missed my treatises on why continued incompetence becomes courruption?

Simple example: dumping raw sewage in to a legally protected major river used for potable water, fishing, and recreation once can be “incompetence”. Dumping it 6 times over the course of 12 months is corruption.

You seem to think the PL are somehow powerless in the face of the unassailable force of nature that is the incompetence of the officials (including VAR) or that the only possible way that VAR could have been implemented or used is it’s current state. As if an accumulation of choices (decisions) by the PL and PiGMOL weren’t made to arrive at the situation we are in now.

I suppose it is difficult for someone like me that spent the better part of his adult life developing systems to detect and expose malfeasance and corruption in the financial world (which, by-the-by, spilt over in to the political world)—in some cases by the same people that own a few of the clubs in the UK—to fully explain how unlikely it is that the same corruption has not spilled over to a global enterprise worth billions. And which is heavily dependent on the world-wide revenue generated (both via merchandising and broadcasting viewership draw) by a small number of cash cows.

And I have put forth ways in which they can make officiating and VAR trustworthy. You are correct that they mostly involve disclosure of as yet hidden information about the electronic systems they are using (especially the implementations and margins of error inherent to them) and communicating both real-time decision making and explaining those decisions after each match, especially if they were obviously contentious. Accountability would be one of the most effective ways to improve the current state of officiating, but the league seems to actually be going in the opposite direction.

These are the same principles that are used when establishing any regime of transparency in any application, but especially in a competition format.

And the longer they refuse to do these things, the more and more likely it is not due to “incompetence”. It becomes a pattern of behaviour—specifically obfuscation—that only a fool would refuse to recognise.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Right back at you. It seems that saying that VAR isn’t necessarily bent means I’m pro-VAR.

You are watching a sport that makes you angry because you ”know” it’s corrupt.

Bizarre.
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I’m not angry.

Only one constantly bleating that word is yourself.

I’m fully at peace with my opinion of the state of the PL and have been for a long time.

Thankfully we have this great forum where I can share that opinion.
 
give it to gordon said:
Or just broadcast the conversation as to how the decision is made. What are they hiding ?
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I’m not against this

But how about we heard yesterday

VAR - we believe there might have been a foul on Mendy to the build up to the goal
Ref - Let me have a double check
Ref - oh yeh, I can now see Bowen left a foot on him ‘

…. Would this satisfy ? Would everyone be fine with hearing the explanations ? I really think it would probably cause more outrage. But as I say, I’m for more transparency
 
SebastianBlue said:
Perhaps you’ve missed my treatises on why continued incompetence becomes courruption?

Simple example: dumping raw sewage in to a legally protected major river used for potable water, fishing, and recreation once can be “incompetence”. Dumping it 6 times over the course of 12 months is corruption.

You seem to think the PL are somehow powerless in the face of the unassailable force of nature that is the incompetence of the officials (including VAR) or that the only possible way that VAR could have been implemented or used is it’s current state. As if an accumulation of choices (decisions) by the PL and PiGMOL weren’t made to arrive at the situation we are in now.

I suppose it is difficult for someone like me that spent the better part of his adult life developing systems to detect and expose malfeasance and corruption in the financial world (which, by-the-by, spilt over in to the political world)—in some cases by the same people that own a few of the clubs in the UK—to fully explain how unlikely it is that the same corruption has not spilled over to a global enterprise worth billions. And which is heavily dependent on the world-wide revenue generated (both via merchandising and broadcasting viewership draw) by a small number of cash cows.

And I have put forth ways in which they can make officiating and VAR trustworthy. You are correct that they mostly involve disclosure of as yet hidden information about the electronic systems they are using (especially the implementations and margins of error inherent to them) and communicating both real-time decision making and explaining those decisions after each match, especially if they were obviously contentious. Accountability would be one of the most effective ways to improve the current state of officiating, but the league seems to actually be going in the opposite direction.

These are the same principles that are used when establishing any regime of transparency in any application, but especially in a competition format.

And the longer they refuse to do these things, the more and more likely it is not due to “incompetence”. It becomes a pattern of behaviour—specifically obfuscation—that only a fool would refuse to recognise.
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And round we go. I haven’t missed them, they don’t prove corruption to me. (However many times you type them out)

Your simple example doesn’t work. It’s not corruption.

I do think it’s difficult for “someone like you” to believe all that you post, yet waste many hours each week watching a “corrupt” sport and even more hours describing in minute detail just how “corrupt” it is.

Thats more baffling to me.
 
blueinsa said:
I’m not angry.

Only one constantly bleating that word is yourself.

I’m fully at peace with my opinion of the state of the PL and have been for a long time.

Thankfully we have this great forum where I can share that opinion.
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You aren’t as you have to keep coming in here to bleat about how corrupt it is.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I genuinely don’t understand why you still follow football if you believe what you are saying.
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Because I love the club that I have been supporting since I was 6. And I love football more generally (the tactics, the strategy, the personalities, the pageantry), and I don’t have much else I am able to do these days, unfortunately.

And perhaps, in all of my cynicism, I hold out hope these problems can be fixed and football can be diverted from the path toward the hybrid MLS and WWE-esque “entertainment” it is currently on.

Once more, even with my limited capabilities these days, I can somehow help with that effort, whilst I still have my mental faculties, at least.
 
Also as I mentioned earlier , it seems the top 6 are all part of the corruption from the outside world … so are they wrong ? Should it be just the top 6 without Man City ? That hasn’t been answered


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BlueHammer85 said:
I’m not against this

But how about we heard yesterday

VAR - we believe there might have been a foul on Mendy to the build up to the goal
Ref - Let me have a double check
Ref - oh yeh, I can now see Bowen left a foot on him ‘

…. Would this satisfy ? Would everyone be fine with hearing the explanations ? I really think it would probably cause more outrage. But as I say, I’m for more transparency
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No not everyone would be happy but we would know their thinking and how they came to it.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
I agree. VAR is nowhere near perfect. To suggest it has preconceived conclusions is madness though.

They don’t know what will need input until it happens.

Theres a stronger argument that the referee was more corrupt in stopping VAR getting involved in Coutinho’s offside last night.
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Not true. If every goal is checked VAR has ample chance to control the outcome of every game end of. It’s a panacea for fixing outcomes.
 
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