VAR thread 2022/23

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metalblue said:
It’s a fine line IMHO. A tactical foul to me is when a players wriggled past you and you take out his legs or body check him when he’s put the ball past you. When a player is in full flight and you’ve got to hurl yourself a couple of yards at him to stop him it’s a bit beyond a simple tactical foul.

When I first saw it I thought it was a yellow, when I saw the replay I thought it weren’t great and was a red that. The ref thought the opposite once he was asked to go look again… he’s already been told he’s wrong so was always going to change his mind… they always do.

Can’t imagine VAR did the refs confidence much good yesterday.
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Don’t disagree with most of that.

We don’t know what the VAR ref said to the on field ref though. Stating he’s been told he is wrong may well be unfair.
 
117 M34 said:
That wasn't a red yesterday. The still image makes it look really bad and if you were using just that it would be a red but in reality it was just a cynical challenge to stop a break.
If a red wasn't given at first, I doubt many would have been saying it should have been a red.
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I agree with this. The point is though, the referee on first sight deemed it a red card. This wasn't a mistake, it was an opinion. A valid opinion. VAR isn't there to offer an alternative opinion, no matter how valid that opinion is. It should be used to correct mistakes, and the red card wasn't a mistake.

Had the referee issued a yellow card initially, the same would apply - VAR should not be used to change that decision because it was based on how the referee viewed the incident.

Another poster said from the FA's own website, a number of incidents were played back to VAR officials, and a range of interpretations was reported back. The on field referee's opinion should precede over the VAR's opinion.
 
Yes but adding 2 subjective views doesn’t help. There should be 1 arbiter of the game who using tech should explain his/her decisions. It happens across lots of other sports. Its VAR in football is sub optimal.
 
Paladin said:
I agree with this. The point is though, the referee on first sight deemed it a red card. This wasn't a mistake, it was an opinion. A valid opinion. VAR isn't there to offer an alternative opinion, no matter how valid that opinion is. It should be used to correct mistakes, and the red card wasn't a mistake.

Had the referee issued a yellow card initially, the same would apply - VAR should not be used to change that decision because it was based on how the referee viewed the incident.

Another poster said from the FA's own website, a number of incidents were played back to VAR officials, and a range of interpretations was reported back. The on field referee's opinion should precede over the VAR's opinion.
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It was a red for me, for the reasons stated in the post above, both feet off the ground and very late, no attempt to play the ball. Seen them given for less.

I think the whole setup with VAR is wrong though. Every weekend we see half a dozen or more goals chalked off for very close offside calls, after VAR is checked. If the ref gives a goal on a close call it may be wrong technically, but it's not necessarily a "clear and obvious error". So why are VAR involved?

It's spoiling the game (I think "ruining" is too far), and if we must have it I'd rather see a system like they have in cricket where each team captain gets a number of review requests, rather than VAR checking every single thing. The offside thing, where a shirt sleeve or something like that puts a player offside is ridiculous, and not in the spirit of the game.

I've never liked the offside rule much anyway.
 
coolcity said:
It was a red for me, for the reasons stated in the post above, both feet off the ground and very late, no attempt to play the ball. Seen them given for less.

I think the whole setup with VAR is wrong though. Every weekend we see half a dozen or more goals chalked off for very close offside calls, after VAR is checked. If the ref gives a goal on a close call it may be wrong technically, but it's not necessarily a "clear and obvious error". So why are VAR involved?

It's spoiling the game (I think "ruining" is too far), and if we must have it I'd rather see a system like they have in cricket where each team captain gets a number of review requests, rather than VAR checking every single thing. The offside thing, where a shirt sleeve or something like that puts a player offside is ridiculous, and not in the spirit of the game.

I've never liked the offside rule much anyway.
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It was mentioned by someone on Match of the Day that the shirt line thing isn’t a VAR issue. It’s a law of the game. It is just more apparent in VAR games because they have the technology. I agree with whoever it was that said on the programme that they’d prefer the laws to be changed so off side is judged on feet position only. I doubt when they were originally defining exactly what offside was, they ever considered that one day people would be drawing lines on a screen to see if someone’s upper arm was a couple of millimetres advanced than someone else’s arse.
 
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