VAR thread 2022/23

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BlueHammer85 said:
So a ref that hasn't got a clue, didn't see the incident and has to rely on a gut decision is a better way to go then having officials that have seen the incident and can tell the ref to have a look at the monitor for a clearer look ?
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Of course not... thats a stupid take on it... VAR should help the refs make the right decision... but thats not what happened at the weekend... your team lost a good point due to it... VAR in England seems to just make the refs uncertain with their wanky offside lines and stupid overruling tendencies
 
GAZZA said:
OK, VAR lovers VAR defenders.
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I’m not even sure anyone is defending it either.

We’re all agreed that it needs to improve, it’s just that some shout louder than others and use words like corruption and manipulation.

It’s a system that tries to right the wrongs of a referee. It’s not perfect and also makes mistakes.
 
inchy14 said:
Can anyone point me to one shocking decision going against the rags through VAR?
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www.planetfootball.com

Every VAR decision that has gone against Man Utd this season

While Premier League officials are often accused of favouring big clubs, Manchester United won't feel like that's been the case in 2021-22. United are currently struggling to secure Champions League qualification and VAR has been more of a hindrance than a help to them this season.
www.planetfootball.com www.planetfootball.com
 
BlueHammer85 said:
www.planetfootball.com

Every VAR decision that has gone against Man Utd this season

While Premier League officials are often accused of favouring big clubs, Manchester United won't feel like that's been the case in 2021-22. United are currently struggling to secure Champions League qualification and VAR has been more of a hindrance than a help to them this season.
www.planetfootball.com www.planetfootball.com
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Not sure you’ve read that before posting but all those were accurate decisions given after VAR. Not one contentious decision among them, even Ole agreed with some of them as manager at the time.

I’m asking for goals like Newcastle or WHU this week being disallowed or anything else of that ilk.
 
inchy14 said:
Not sure you’ve read that before posting but all those were accurate decisions given after VAR. Not one contentious decision among them, even Ole agreed with some of them as manager at the time.

I’m asking for goals like Newcastle or WHU this week being disallowed or anything else of that ilk.
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Fair enough and I’d have to check if any of them decisions on the link were as bad as that at the weekend

But equally, if those VAR decisions against Man Utd in the link were all accurate - doesn’t that show VAR to be a massive positive ? All those decisions against Man Utd could and probably would have got away with pre VAR
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Fair enough and I’d have to check if any of them decisions on the link were as bad as that at the weekend

But equally, if those VAR decisions against Man Utd in the link were all accurate - doesn’t that show VAR to be a massive positive ? All those decisions against Man Utd could and probably would have got away with pre VAR
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Mate they were decisions that they had no choice on. All dead certs.
 
halfcenturyup said:
I think it's enough that they aren't like Lee Mason. I really don't know what he was thinking. He never struck me as a particularly good ref and he clearly isn't very good at VAR, either.

If I was the PL, I wouldn't want him anywhere near a multi-million-pound piece of broadcasting equipment.
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He's a rag pisstank from Moses gate. "Bolturn fan" my arse.
 
inchy14 said:
Mate they were decisions that they had no choice on. All dead certs.
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The De Gea one where he hit the deck when his own man stood on his toe was probably the right decision. But it certainly wasn’t one they had no choice on. I saw a similar incident in a game over the last couple of days in fact. Forget which one. But the second the ‘keeper went down, he blew up ( not for a foul ) as the ball was still bobbling around the area.
 
inchy14 said:
Mate they were decisions that they had no choice on. All dead certs.
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Isn't the point that VAR was able to overturn decisions that would previously have been given to United?

There was a fuss from Liverpool fans a couple of seasons ago as they'd had more VAR decisions go against them than any other club. The problem was most of them were objective decisions, like offsides, and pens being overturned for not being in the box. There was an argument that they were getting more decisions on the pitch that they weren't entitled to due to bias - but VAR was helping to overcome that.
 
inchy14 said:
Mate they were decisions that they had no choice on. All dead certs.
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If there really was agenda to favour Man Utd , why bring in VAR. Any of those decisions could easily have gone against them with a simple refs whistle or Lino’s flag and everyone would have to just accept it
 
BlueHammer85 said:
If there really was agenda to favour Man Utd , why bring in VAR. Any of those decisions could easily have gone against them with a simple refs whistle or Lino’s flag and everyone would have to just accept it
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Regardless of whether VAR is being used to attempt to manipulate certain match outcomes or not, we need to put to bed this ridiculous “why bring in VAR at all” debate point.

Because they had to bring it in. They had held out longer than every other major sport in the world (in some cases, literally decades after video review was adopted elsewhere; and when I say “they” I mean FIFA, that great bastion of transparency and incorruptibility).

This was not a matter of “they could have just not brought it in”. That was not an option. There was far too much pressure from every conceivable direction. At that point, *not* bringing it in would have caused more suspicion and eventual scrutiny than bringing it in.

And one of the main arguments for it very likely being used as a tool for attempted manipulation—apart from the many dubious (non)decisions across seasons—is the way they chose to design and implement the system when they finally did bring it in. That is, in one of the least transparent, most difficult to scrutinise ways possible.

They’ve even made it *less* transparent this year in the PL.

So, again, can we not stop asking that stupid question, as if football could have legitimately held out indefinitely as the only major sport on earth without video review, at a time where nearly every person has a HD camera in their pocket and/or access to a global network of HD cameras at their fingertips?
 
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