Venezuela economy

Ancient Citizen said:
Ha!
This, and I'm assuming it's tongue in cheek, is exactly the type of response received from hardcore socialists/communists etc;
The system has proven to be not only flawed, but devastatingly so, time and time again, when the evidence finally becomes irrefutable,
what you say above is the stock answer. 'That's because the system I espouse hasn't been implemented properly,' although
this premise is equally flawed as it has been, in each and every case.
It's an ideal that can not and never has, delivered, yet we're seeing it being studied and championed by, you guessed it,
the young, understandable, as I and most of my peers were exactly the same then.
An oldie but goodie that describes socialism stills holds true, 'If you're not a socialist by the time you're 21, there is something
wrong with your heart, if you're still a socialist at 31 there's something wrong with your head.'
Click to expand...

For every failed socialist country, I'll give you ten failed capitalist ones.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
How much of this ‘disaster’ is due to economic sanctions placed by both the EU (supported by the U.K.) and the US?
Click to expand...

Yep, when a country goes socialist, as a result of the spectacular collapse of capitalism, global capitalism immediately goes to war with it. All in the name of democracy you understand.
 
The perfect fumble said:
For every failed socialist country, I'll give you ten failed capitalist ones.
Click to expand...
I can give you dozens of successful capitalist countries, so far nobody has offered up even one socialist one.
So if you're starting from zero success as a base for comparison, you may have a point.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Watch and learn mate....

Click to expand...

That's simply an advert for how great socialism could be, how it would work if done 'Properly,' simply a reiteration of what we've been saying on here,
with a vague nod to some supposed systems from ancient history.
There are simply no examples of it succeeding, unless you've got one we've not seen.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Clearly you don't get out much.

Let's have a little dance instead...

agueromnd.gif
Click to expand...
Not sure what image you posted as I can't see it but I suspect it's as stupid as your usual efforts.

Meanwhile, how about listing 30 failed capitalist states?
 
arfurclue said:
Thanks for this - appreciated. What I am tending to look at is a way beyond the dogmas of both capitalism and socialism. For me, there is an argument to say that capitalism

is one form of the idea of 'the way of gaining the world but losing the soul.' This 'losing the soul' might be interpreted as an inability to know the 'spirit of a law' but instead left

with only an understanding of 'the letter of the law.' In short, one loses touch with a unifying essence, instead left with 'my dogmas better than your dogma'. Beyond that (and this might seem a strange example to use here but...) this loss of essence is like a lessening of the depth of intimacy that can be experienced - for example it will get it the way of opening to the divine aspect of women (beyond physical, emotional, mental). That which is 'of heaven' comes to shape this world in a way that is not possible within only the paradigms of capitalism and socialism. Anyhow, I appreciate that this kind of thing does not generally fit within bluemoon but such is life, lol - is another way of looking at/being with these things. And if the likes of war, poverty, pollution etc are symptoms of imbalance, I don't think it's a bad thing to question what might be at the root of this.

ps if the only way people have been educated about power is 'thinking from the head downwards' rather than a power that is based in 'feeling from the ground upwards' then, more than likely, anything above will, at best, come across as upside down.
Click to expand...

The need for balance is perhaps the biggest thing needed. The Nordic countries accept capitalism and they also implement socialist principles and that is why they have the highest standards of life.

You will hear many Corbyn supporters for example say how terrible capitalism is but the facts are it isn't all terrible especially when you look at what the likes of Elon Musk and technologists are achieving. If you look at the medical advancements over the years they all only exist because someone made it so. These kind of people developing this stuff are still fundamental capitalists with social ideas but they are now branded the greedy elite....

Look at Amazon, Amazon may not pay its taxes properly but it has put cheap goods in the hands of billions. Apple makes brilliant phones, far better than those of 15 years ago. As I mentioned Musk is developing electrical cars etc which will help solve environmental problems. Considering the jobs and lives they support as well, are these people really the enemy?

The hard socialists are the kind who will drive out all of this because their end game is to remove the opportunity for someone to have something someone else doesn't. As I said Corbyn doesn't want to equalize society by making everyone richer on the back of the rich making it so, he wants to equalize society by making the rich poorer.

How does this relate to Venezuela? Well Venezeula has rejected the global market, capitalism and it enforces socialism, the current state of affairs is the result.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top
✖
  AdBlock Detected
Bluemoon relies on advertising to pay our hosting fees. Please support the site by disabling your ad blocking software to help keep the forum sustainable. Thanks.