Prestwich_Blue
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Ever heard the expression, better to have someone inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in?
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Vested and Prejudicial Interests on Football Governing Bodies?
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cheekybids
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Just a small point but in UK we get paid in £ not $
So it’s £2,000,000 for gill plus a share in an outrageously generous long term incentive
As is said - follow the money !!!
Yes mate typo, I’m from Manchester but no pound sign.
Completely agree with the follow the money, if something doesn’t look right trace it back from the beneficiary to the decision maker & you’ll get everyone in between.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Ever heard the expression, better to have someone inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in?
Have we signed Paul Heyman?
asahartford1
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Ever heard the expression, better to have someone inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in?
Sounds like you are getting your info directly from OT, I was just guessing.)
FootballSense
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Woodward when asked about CITY and FFP:
"I'm not going to comment on City or any other clubs. What I will say is I go to a lot of UEFA meetings (presumably on occasions with David Gill, Mr Manchester United - see page 5 in this thread for his UEFA roles) and I see a strong commitment to ensure that FFP continues to deliver the benefits that it clearly has in the industry."
Woodward has recently appointed Neil Ashton, formerly sports writer in The Sun, as his PR Adviser.
25/02/2020 - it is reported that Manchester United's net debt rises £73.6m to £391.3m in three months.
FFP was originally intended to tackle debt. Then it was changed. Debt is now ok. Investment is questionable.
Why would this happen?
Who would have brought this change about?
What were the reasons?
Who would benefit?
Who would be penalised?
"I'm not going to comment on City or any other clubs. What I will say is I go to a lot of UEFA meetings (presumably on occasions with David Gill, Mr Manchester United - see page 5 in this thread for his UEFA roles) and I see a strong commitment to ensure that FFP continues to deliver the benefits that it clearly has in the industry."
Woodward has recently appointed Neil Ashton, formerly sports writer in The Sun, as his PR Adviser.
25/02/2020 - it is reported that Manchester United's net debt rises £73.6m to £391.3m in three months.
FFP was originally intended to tackle debt. Then it was changed. Debt is now ok. Investment is questionable.
Why would this happen?
Who would have brought this change about?
What were the reasons?
Who would benefit?
Who would be penalised?
Magicpole
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Have you got a spare couple of days.
How's this as a teaser. The then head of the SFA Jim the **** Farry, had to resign his post after it was proved he held up the transfer of Jorge Caddette to us to help Rangers.
If anybody can beat that I will buy you a pint.
How's this as a teaser. The then head of the SFA Jim the **** Farry, had to resign his post after it was proved he held up the transfer of Jorge Caddette to us to help Rangers.
If anybody can beat that I will buy you a pint.
Woodward when asked about CITY and FFP:
"I'm not going to comment on City or any other clubs. What I will say is I go to a lot of UEFA meetings (presumably on occasions with David Gill, Mr Manchester United - see page 5 in this thread for his UEFA roles) and I see a strong commitment to ensure that FFP continues to deliver the benefits that it clearly has in the industry."
Woodward has recently appointed Neil Ashton, formerly sports writer in The Sun, as his PR Adviser.
25/02/2020 - it is reported that Manchester United's net debt rises £73.6m to £391.3m in three months.
FFP was originally intended to tackle debt. Then it was changed. Debt is now ok. Investment is questionable.
Why would this happen?
Who would have brought this change about?
What were the reasons?
Who would benefit?
Who would be penalised?
Why are rags hiding certain accounts in the Cayman Islands?
Just imagine we had the roles were reversed as clubs the media be none stop wanking of Pep and investment plus how the run! Where as we in with the same make now as the scum no stone would be unturned looking into everything they doing.
MillionMilesAway
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Woodward when asked about CITY and FFP:
"I'm not going to comment on City or any other clubs. What I will say is I go to a lot of UEFA meetings (presumably on occasions with David Gill, Mr Manchester United - see page 5 in this thread for his UEFA roles) and I see a strong commitment to ensure that FFP continues to deliver the benefits that it clearly has in the industry."
Woodward has recently appointed Neil Ashton, formerly sports writer in The Sun, as his PR Adviser.
25/02/2020 - it is reported that Manchester United's net debt rises £73.6m to £391.3m in three months.
FFP was originally intended to tackle debt. Then it was changed. Debt is now ok. Investment is questionable.
Why would this happen?
Who would have brought this change about?
What were the reasons?
Who would benefit?
Who would be penalised?
Isn't some of this debt increase a bit of smoke and mirrors? They just bought a 40+M player, and it may be quite standard that debt increases in the three months in question each year - there are no season ticket sales, and no big CL matches in the period to bring in cash.
THE MONEY CLUB
its all about money and the money and merry go round of 5 or 6 so called elite clubs that have to keep it in house because it only takes one club (manchester city) to destroy them, why does it always have to be one of the big so called elite teams in the finals ? and when was the last final without one of them in it ?
i have said it many times you don't win the champions league you get hand picked to hold the trophy up and grease the hands of the devil UEFA, from the first day of the takeover at manchester city there was a rumble in england, united liverpool chelsea arsenal knew there days are numbered and they all lived in hope the new owners was fake sheikh and walk away leaving manchester city in a bigger mess than they first bought them, but the rumble turned to a tsunami in signing tevez and welcome to manchester poster put down the marker and from that moment on they have been after us both in england and in europe
the biggest fear by them is manchester city have more money than all of them put together ? and if they wanted to call the shots in football and build a new league around uefa and the premier league
i think the rest would jump and come and play ball, its not only manchester city sick of the so called 5 or 6 elite clubs with there in house politics, its the rest of the 100s of teams getting bum deals and cheated every week and picking up the crumbs left over from the pie ?
do i think football is dead YES, can it be fixed by a revolution YES, have somebody like manchester city got the money and the bollocks to take over YES, and the final question is would you let them 5 or 6 so called elite clubs in NO
its all about money and the money and merry go round of 5 or 6 so called elite clubs that have to keep it in house because it only takes one club (manchester city) to destroy them, why does it always have to be one of the big so called elite teams in the finals ? and when was the last final without one of them in it ?
i have said it many times you don't win the champions league you get hand picked to hold the trophy up and grease the hands of the devil UEFA, from the first day of the takeover at manchester city there was a rumble in england, united liverpool chelsea arsenal knew there days are numbered and they all lived in hope the new owners was fake sheikh and walk away leaving manchester city in a bigger mess than they first bought them, but the rumble turned to a tsunami in signing tevez and welcome to manchester poster put down the marker and from that moment on they have been after us both in england and in europe
the biggest fear by them is manchester city have more money than all of them put together ? and if they wanted to call the shots in football and build a new league around uefa and the premier league
i think the rest would jump and come and play ball, its not only manchester city sick of the so called 5 or 6 elite clubs with there in house politics, its the rest of the 100s of teams getting bum deals and cheated every week and picking up the crumbs left over from the pie ?
do i think football is dead YES, can it be fixed by a revolution YES, have somebody like manchester city got the money and the bollocks to take over YES, and the final question is would you let them 5 or 6 so called elite clubs in NO
FootballSense
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Investigatory Chamber established by UEFA and Members Appointed by UEFA - What was the role of Liverpool`s Former CEO?
According to The Telegraph -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/14/manchester-city-claim-have-comprehensive-proof-allegations-financial/
in an article of 14 May, 2019 by Sam Wallace, chief football write and Tom Morgan,sports news correspondent, " Rick Parry (Chief Executive at Liverpool from 1998 to 2009 and strong associate of Liverpool FC) , declined to comment when asked if he was one of the investigatory chamber members on the City case, or whether he considered there to be any conflict of interest that might lead to him recusing himself."
"City said in a statement that the suggestion those involved in the investigatory process, overseen by Yves Leterme,, had already found the club guilty of breaking financial fair play regulations was “extremely concerning”.
This was also covered in The Mirror - https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-liverpool-chief-board-decides-15968600 among other publications.
There are eight members of the Uefa investigatory chamber of the semi-autonomous club financial control body, which oversees the monitoring of, among other things, Financial Fair Play.
What was the role of Rick Parry before he left UEFA?
According to The Telegraph -
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/05/14/manchester-city-claim-have-comprehensive-proof-allegations-financial/
in an article of 14 May, 2019 by Sam Wallace, chief football write and Tom Morgan,sports news correspondent, " Rick Parry (Chief Executive at Liverpool from 1998 to 2009 and strong associate of Liverpool FC) , declined to comment when asked if he was one of the investigatory chamber members on the City case, or whether he considered there to be any conflict of interest that might lead to him recusing himself."
"City said in a statement that the suggestion those involved in the investigatory process, overseen by Yves Leterme,, had already found the club guilty of breaking financial fair play regulations was “extremely concerning”.
This was also covered in The Mirror - https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/former-liverpool-chief-board-decides-15968600 among other publications.
There are eight members of the Uefa investigatory chamber of the semi-autonomous club financial control body, which oversees the monitoring of, among other things, Financial Fair Play.
What was the role of Rick Parry before he left UEFA?
FootballSense
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Parry - "An unashamed Liverpool fan ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Parry
"An unashamed Liverpool fan, Parry was recruited from his position as a senior management consultant with leading UK firm Ernst & Young in 1991 to assist in planning the new Premier League." He was appointed PL Chief Executive in February 1992 and acted until 1997.
Parry was appointed as chief executive at Liverpool FC in July 1998, by then chairman David Moores. He left at the end of the 2008-09 season.
Parry has since taken on a number of roles as a consultant, including sitting on the UEFA investigatory panel of club financial fair play cases.
According to The Telegraph - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-premier-league-chief-executive-rick-parry-poised-take/ Parry, before taking charge of the EFL, was sitting on a Uefa panel considering sanctions against Manchester City.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Parry
"An unashamed Liverpool fan, Parry was recruited from his position as a senior management consultant with leading UK firm Ernst & Young in 1991 to assist in planning the new Premier League." He was appointed PL Chief Executive in February 1992 and acted until 1997.
Parry was appointed as chief executive at Liverpool FC in July 1998, by then chairman David Moores. He left at the end of the 2008-09 season.
Parry has since taken on a number of roles as a consultant, including sitting on the UEFA investigatory panel of club financial fair play cases.
According to The Telegraph - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-premier-league-chief-executive-rick-parry-poised-take/ Parry, before taking charge of the EFL, was sitting on a Uefa panel considering sanctions against Manchester City.
This thread has moved down the page. The last 2 posts by Football Sense should be read by all on here so I am bumping it. We may have won in Madrid but never forget that we are in one hell of a battle with the shite down the East Lancs Road.
FootballSense
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The Closed Shop - Vested Interests of the so called `Elite`
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Agnelli-self-serving-protectionist-snake.html
... a creeping, crawling, self-serving, protectionist snake.
The above could be an apt description for a number of our protectionist foes whose vested interests are prevalent in helping them avoid sinking into the mire.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Agnelli-self-serving-protectionist-snake.html
... a creeping, crawling, self-serving, protectionist snake.
The above could be an apt description for a number of our protectionist foes whose vested interests are prevalent in helping them avoid sinking into the mire.
Saddleworth2
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I agree. The article falls short though of linking the malign influence of the European cartel to the treatment of City (and PSG) through UEFA. Big step for a UK journalist but needs doing if we are ever to get a level playing field.The Closed Shop - Vested Interests of the so called `Elite`
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...Agnelli-self-serving-protectionist-snake.html
... a creeping, crawling, self-serving, protectionist snake.
The above could be an apt description for a number of our protectionist foes whose vested interests are prevalent in helping them avoid sinking into the mire.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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Who would benefit?
Who would be penalised?
The two most rhetorical questions on any forum on the entire site! What other business would cherish debt over investment? Seems only football. How would these financial masterminds at Uefa manage with a whelk stall on Skeggy prom?
FootballSense
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Woodward when asked about CITY and FFP:
"I'm not going to comment on City or any other clubs. What I will say is I go to a lot of UEFA meetings (presumably on occasions with David Gill, Mr Manchester United - see page 5 in this thread for his UEFA roles) and I see a strong commitment to ensure that FFP continues to deliver the benefits that it clearly has in the industry."
Woodward has recently appointed Neil Ashton, formerly sports writer in The Sun, as his PR Adviser.
25/02/2020 - it is reported that Manchester United's net debt rises £73.6m to £391.3m in three months.
FFP was originally intended to tackle debt. Then it was changed. Debt is now ok. Investment is questionable.
Why would this happen? Who would have brought this change about? What were the reasons? Who would benefit? Who would be penalised?
UEFA serving Woodward Praises Their `Rule` Book - Blatant Protectionist FFP
Brennan in the MEN of 4 March, 2020 has written :-
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...tball-news/man-utd-ffp-woodward-city-17853062
..it seems the clubs which actually ARE inflating transfer fees, and driving would-be competitors to match their efforts, are those who have always done so – Europe’s traditional elite" .
It has been reported that net debt is up from £6bn to £7.2bn across the continent. Debt that is used to fund transfers of the cartel.
Platini, the former UEFA President, wanted debt to be tackled by FFP because not only did it put clubs at risk of plunging into crisis, it also leached money out of the game.There are a number of very good examples of this. Yet debt has been dismissed in the FFP considerations as it did not suit the main protagonists whose vested interests had directed UEFA from the inside and outside. They continue to do so.
Unsurprisingly, Woodward supports all the above through his roles at UEFA. To promote his and his club`s image, Neil Ashton, former Chief Sports Writer of The Sun has become their PR Adviser.
https://www.prolificnorth.co.uk/new...eaves-sun-become-pr-adviser-manchester-united
Meanwhile, the vested interests on football governing bodies who are no longer guaranteed a Champions League place, combine together to protect themselves whilst punishing a debt free, investing club.
I wonder if he was on the FFP panel when Liverpool were investigated.Parry - "An unashamed Liverpool fan ..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Parry
"An unashamed Liverpool fan, Parry was recruited from his position as a senior management consultant with leading UK firm Ernst & Young in 1991 to assist in planning the new Premier League." He was appointed PL Chief Executive in February 1992 and acted until 1997.
Parry was appointed as chief executive at Liverpool FC in July 1998, by then chairman David Moores. He left at the end of the 2008-09 season.
Parry has since taken on a number of roles as a consultant, including sitting on the UEFA investigatory panel of club financial fair play cases.
According to The Telegraph - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-premier-league-chief-executive-rick-parry-poised-take/ Parry, before taking charge of the EFL, was sitting on a Uefa panel considering sanctions against Manchester City.
Unashamed Liverpool fan. Aren't they all?I wonder if he was on the FFP panel when Liverpool were investigated.
It's a good point, no fans of other clubs have to deny it.Unashamed Liverpool fan. Aren't they all?
bobbyowenquiff
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He was certainly on the UEFA investigations committee when they recommended banning us from European football and previously worked as a "security consultant" for the scandal-hit Qatari World Cup bid which was masterminded by Al Khelaifi before he landed his pivotal role at UEFA.I wonder if he was on the FFP panel when Liverpool were investigated.