Vieira could be next City boss

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Just to correct you Damo, Guardiola only had one season in charge of their B team and the likes of Busquets, Iniesta, and Messi were already established when Guardola took charge of the first team.

You tell him Ray. No doubt Damo will write a book proving you wrong.

 

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Interesting story about Vieira and his management style - perhaps a little off topic but made me chuckle when i heard it.

My mate is the reserve team manager at a decent football league club and they played the EDS last year and got an absolute drubbing - something like 5 or 6 - 0. Neverless my mate continued to encourage his team on the touchline, with various shouts of "well played", "good play" etc. He clapped them off at the end, with a few pats on the back.

After the game Vieira came up to my mate for a chat and said "Why do you continue to praise and applaud your team...you have just been easily beaten by a better team, you should not be praising them!" Clearly a difference in management / coaching style and it wound my mate up a bit. My mate explained that the players still need encouragement to improve and keep their confidence and argued that Vieira must of been encouraged like this throughout his career.

Vieira responded, perhaps maybe with a bit of tongue in cheek but I think he was almost being serious, "I was only praised one time and told well done in my career and that was when......

I lifted the World Cup with France!"

My mate shook his hand and quietly walked away...you cant argue with someone when they have an answer like that.

 

[supercity88]

Interesting story about Vieira and his management style - perhaps a little off topic but made me chuckle when i heard it.

My mate is the reserve team manager at a decent football league club and they played the EDS last year and got an absolute drubbing - something like 5 or 6 - 0. Neverless my mate continued to encourage his team on the touchline, with various shouts of "well played", "good play" etc. He clapped them off at the end, with a few pats on the back.

After the game Vieira came up to my mate for a chat and said "Why do you continue to praise and applaud your team...you have just been easily beaten by a better team, you should not be praising them!" Clearly a difference in management / coaching style and it wound my mate up a bit. My mate explained that the players still need encouragement to improve and keep their confidence and argued that Vieira must of been encouraged like this throughout his career.

Vieira responded, perhaps maybe with a bit of tongue in cheek but I think he was almost being serious, "I was only praised one time and told well done in my career and that was when......

I lifted the World Cup with France!"

My mate shook his hand and quietly walked away...you cant argue with someone when they have an answer like that.

Vieira has been there and done it and that is what can set him apart. You can study football and management all you like but the winning instinct and mentality has to become part of you. IF Vieira can make our academy players have the same attitude as he did then they should always strive to get better and always want to win which will make them brilliant footballers. I think when you are at a very top club that has spent a lot of money on players you can't hold their hands too much. They're expected to perform to a certain level and I know Guardiola practices routines repeatedly until players get it right. He doesn't allow his players to stay at the same level, he gets them to try things that will test their capabilities and get them to the next level. It sounds like Vieira has a bit of that about him which is good. Bielsa is another manager that strives for perfection from players and is almost army like in drilling into them a style of play and the thirst to win.

 

[Damocles]

Just to correct you Damo, Guardiola only had one season in charge of their B team and the likes of Busquets, Iniesta, and Messi were already established when Guardola took charge at first their B team and then the seniors.

I never said he had more than one season, I said his experience was in charge of their reserve team in the fourth tier of Spanish football.

Here's their squad at the time:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/fc-barcelona-b/2008/2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/fc-b ... -b/2008/2/</a>

Notice Busquets, Pedro, Thiago, Xavi Torres, Dos Santos, Chico and numerous other people who play in the top leagues in the world now. He might not have had Messi and Iniesta but if you can't win a regional group in the fourth tier of Spanish football with level of talent then you don't deserve to be a football manager. He wasn't even playing the Burys of the world, he was playing against the Northern Premier Division standard

Just to correct you Damo, Guardiola only had one season in charge of their B team and the likes of Busquets, Iniesta, and Messi were already established when Guardola took charge of the first team.

You tell him Ray. No doubt Damo will write a book proving you wrong.

Is "piss off" short enough for you to understand or should I draw a picture?

 

[dobobobo]

I certainly hope the board do not appoint Vierra as manager without any proper managerial experience.

Look at how many world class players from the rags tried their hand unsuccessfully at PL management.

Just because we briefly had a world class player, who has joined the back room staff does not guarantee he will be able to be successful in management.

Who should we go for then? Should it be Alex Fergusson seeing as he's one of the few available and proved he can guarantee success?

Garry Monk is doing pretty well at Swansea for a 35 year old, should he be told to do one?

IMO Simeone is possibly the best manager out there, although perhaps a little outspoken for our image?
Klopp although going through a difficult time since losing his best players to BM, is a fantastic manager.
Martinez has proved his worth.

Simeone:
2006 Racing
2006–2007 Estudiantes
2007–2008 River Plate
2009–2010 San Lorenzo
2011 Catania
2011 Racing
2011– Atlético Madrid

Klopp:
2001–2008 1. FSV Mainz 05
2008– Borussia Dortmund

Martinez:
2007–2009 Swansea City
2009–2013 Wigan Athletic
2013– Everton

Where is the evidence that all three of those manages can come to City and guarantee success? For the record I would welcome all three of those managers to City, but I don't see what they have that is different from what Vieira can offer. What it comes down to is what a manager says when he is interviewed by the club for the position.

As a little extra...

Ferguson:
1974 East Stirlingshire
1974–1978 St. Mirren
1978–1986 Aberdeen
1985–1986 Scotland

Before he went to United, what evidence is there that Ferguson could go on to guarantee success for United?

 

[supercity88]

Who should we go for then? Should it be Alex Fergusson seeing as he's one of the few available and proved he can guarantee success?

Garry Monk is doing pretty well at Swansea for a 35 year old, should he be told to do one?

IMO Simeone is possibly the best manager out there, although perhaps a little outspoken for our image?
Klopp although going through a difficult time since losing his best players to BM, is a fantastic manager.
Martinez has proved his worth.

Simeone:
2006 Racing
2006–2007 Estudiantes
2007–2008 River Plate
2009–2010 San Lorenzo
2011 Catania
2011 Racing
2011– Atlético Madrid

Klopp:
2001–2008 1. FSV Mainz 05
2008– Borussia Dortmund

Martinez:
2007–2009 Swansea City
2009–2013 Wigan Athletic
2013– Everton

Where is the evidence that all three of those manages can come to City and guarantee success? For the record I would welcome all three of those managers to City, but I don't see what they have that is different from what Vieira can offer. What it comes down to is what a manager says when he is interviewed by the club for the position.

As a little extra...

Ferguson:
1974 East Stirlingshire
1974–1978 St. Mirren
1978–1986 Aberdeen
1985–1986 Scotland

Before he went to United, what evidence is there that Ferguson could go on to guarantee success for United?

Ferguson did eff all in his first few season with the rags as well and if that happens here he is sacked. We don't have the time to allow certain managers to adjust and make their mark. Klopp, Simeone and Martinez are promising managers but nothing more. Klopp is very overrated in my opinion whilst Simeone needs to show consistency or he has done nothing more than had one quality season. We've given chances to Mancini and Pellegrini, had Hughes as a potential up and coming manager. Moving forward we either go for a proven CL winner or we go for someone young and take a chance. For me that man has to be Vieira because he knows this club.

 

[yayas trusty right foot]

I think Vieira will be a fantastic manager for City..

His teams have done well in his short coaching career and he has won everything as a player..

 

[dobobobo]

IMO Simeone is possibly the best manager out there, although perhaps a little outspoken for our image?
Klopp although going through a difficult time since losing his best players to BM, is a fantastic manager.
Martinez has proved his worth.

Simeone:
2006 Racing
2006–2007 Estudiantes
2007–2008 River Plate
2009–2010 San Lorenzo
2011 Catania
2011 Racing
2011– Atlético Madrid

Klopp:
2001–2008 1. FSV Mainz 05
2008– Borussia Dortmund

Martinez:
2007–2009 Swansea City
2009–2013 Wigan Athletic
2013– Everton

Where is the evidence that all three of those manages can come to City and guarantee success? For the record I would welcome all three of those managers to City, but I don't see what they have that is different from what Vieira can offer. What it comes down to is what a manager says when he is interviewed by the club for the position.

As a little extra...

Ferguson:
1974 East Stirlingshire
1974–1978 St. Mirren
1978–1986 Aberdeen
1985–1986 Scotland

Before he went to United, what evidence is there that Ferguson could go on to guarantee success for United?

Ferguson did eff all in his first few season with the rags as well and if that happens here he is sacked. We don't have the time to allow certain managers to adjust and make their mark. Klopp, Simeone and Martinez are promising managers but nothing more. Klopp is very overrated in my opinion whilst Simeone needs to show consistency or he has done nothing more than had one quality season. We've given chances to Mancini and Pellegrini, had Hughes as a potential up and coming manager. Moving forward we either go for a proven CL winner or we go for someone young and take a chance. For me that man has to be Vieira because he knows this club.

Spot on.

 

[dobobobo]

I think Vieira will be a fantastic manager for City..

His teams have done well in his short coaching career and he has won everything as a player..

Not quite, he's never won a Champions League trophy.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Vieira won't be our next manager but he could well be the one after that if he carries on developing in the right way. But he won't be ready for a few seasons yet and will have spent some time working with the first team before he takes over.