Vieira could be next City boss

[carlos tevez is a blue]

Just to correct you Damo, Guardiola only had one season in charge of their B team and the likes of Busquets, Iniesta, and Messi were already established when Guardola took charge of the first team.

You tell him Ray. No doubt Damo will write a book proving you wrong.

 

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Interesting story about Vieira and his management style - perhaps a little off topic but made me chuckle when i heard it.

My mate is the reserve team manager at a decent football league club and they played the EDS last year and got an absolute drubbing - something like 5 or 6 - 0. Neverless my mate continued to encourage his team on the touchline, with various shouts of "well played", "good play" etc. He clapped them off at the end, with a few pats on the back.

After the game Vieira came up to my mate for a chat and said "Why do you continue to praise and applaud your team...you have just been easily beaten by a better team, you should not be praising them!" Clearly a difference in management / coaching style and it wound my mate up a bit. My mate explained that the players still need encouragement to improve and keep their confidence and argued that Vieira must of been encouraged like this throughout his career.

Vieira responded, perhaps maybe with a bit of tongue in cheek but I think he was almost being serious, "I was only praised one time and told well done in my career and that was when......

I lifted the World Cup with France!"

My mate shook his hand and quietly walked away...you cant argue with someone when they have an answer like that.

 

[supercity88]

Interesting story about Vieira and his management style - perhaps a little off topic but made me chuckle when i heard it.

My mate is the reserve team manager at a decent football league club and they played the EDS last year and got an absolute drubbing - something like 5 or 6 - 0. Neverless my mate continued to encourage his team on the touchline, with various shouts of "well played", "good play" etc. He clapped them off at the end, with a few pats on the back.

After the game Vieira came up to my mate for a chat and said "Why do you continue to praise and applaud your team...you have just been easily beaten by a better team, you should not be praising them!" Clearly a difference in management / coaching style and it wound my mate up a bit. My mate explained that the players still need encouragement to improve and keep their confidence and argued that Vieira must of been encouraged like this throughout his career.

Vieira responded, perhaps maybe with a bit of tongue in cheek but I think he was almost being serious, "I was only praised one time and told well done in my career and that was when......

I lifted the World Cup with France!"

My mate shook his hand and quietly walked away...you cant argue with someone when they have an answer like that.

Vieira has been there and done it and that is what can set him apart. You can study football and management all you like but the winning instinct and mentality has to become part of you. IF Vieira can make our academy players have the same attitude as he did then they should always strive to get better and always want to win which will make them brilliant footballers. I think when you are at a very top club that has spent a lot of money on players you can't hold their hands too much. They're expected to perform to a certain level and I know Guardiola practices routines repeatedly until players get it right. He doesn't allow his players to stay at the same level, he gets them to try things that will test their capabilities and get them to the next level. It sounds like Vieira has a bit of that about him which is good. Bielsa is another manager that strives for perfection from players and is almost army like in drilling into them a style of play and the thirst to win.

 

[Damocles]

Just to correct you Damo, Guardiola only had one season in charge of their B team and the likes of Busquets, Iniesta, and Messi were already established when Guardola took charge at first their B team and then the seniors.

I never said he had more than one season, I said his experience was in charge of their reserve team in the fourth tier of Spanish football.

Here's their squad at the time:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/fc-barcelona-b/2008/2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/fc-b ... -b/2008/2/</a>

Notice Busquets, Pedro, Thiago, Xavi Torres, Dos Santos, Chico and numerous other people who play in the top leagues in the world now. He might not have had Messi and Iniesta but if you can't win a regional group in the fourth tier of Spanish football with level of talent then you don't deserve to be a football manager. He wasn't even playing the Burys of the world, he was playing against the Northern Premier Division standard

Just to correct you Damo, Guardiola only had one season in charge of their B team and the likes of Busquets, Iniesta, and Messi were already established when Guardola took charge of the first team.

You tell him Ray. No doubt Damo will write a book proving you wrong.

Is "piss off" short enough for you to understand or should I draw a picture?

 

[dobobobo]

I certainly hope the board do not appoint Vierra as manager without any proper managerial experience.

Look at how many world class players from the rags tried their hand unsuccessfully at PL management.

Just because we briefly had a world class player, who has joined the back room staff does not guarantee he will be able to be successful in management.

Who should we go for then? Should it be Alex Fergusson seeing as he's one of the few available and proved he can guarantee success?

Garry Monk is doing pretty well at Swansea for a 35 year old, should he be told to do one?

IMO Simeone is possibly the best manager out there, although perhaps a little outspoken for our image?
Klopp although going through a difficult time since losing his best players to BM, is a fantastic manager.
Martinez has proved his worth.

Simeone:
2006 Racing
2006–2007 Estudiantes
2007–2008 River Plate
2009–2010 San Lorenzo
2011 Catania
2011 Racing
2011– Atlético Madrid

Klopp:
2001–2008 1. FSV Mainz 05
2008– Borussia Dortmund

Martinez:
2007–2009 Swansea City
2009–2013 Wigan Athletic
2013– Everton

Where is the evidence that all three of those manages can come to City and guarantee success? For the record I would welcome all three of those managers to City, but I don't see what they have that is different from what Vieira can offer. What it comes down to is what a manager says when he is interviewed by the club for the position.

As a little extra...

Ferguson:
1974 East Stirlingshire
1974–1978 St. Mirren
1978–1986 Aberdeen
1985–1986 Scotland

Before he went to United, what evidence is there that Ferguson could go on to guarantee success for United?

 

[supercity88]

Who should we go for then? Should it be Alex Fergusson seeing as he's one of the few available and proved he can guarantee success?

Garry Monk is doing pretty well at Swansea for a 35 year old, should he be told to do one?

IMO Simeone is possibly the best manager out there, although perhaps a little outspoken for our image?
Klopp although going through a difficult time since losing his best players to BM, is a fantastic manager.
Martinez has proved his worth.

Simeone:
2006 Racing
2006–2007 Estudiantes
2007–2008 River Plate
2009–2010 San Lorenzo
2011 Catania
2011 Racing
2011– Atlético Madrid

Klopp:
2001–2008 1. FSV Mainz 05
2008– Borussia Dortmund

Martinez:
2007–2009 Swansea City
2009–2013 Wigan Athletic
2013– Everton

Where is the evidence that all three of those manages can come to City and guarantee success? For the record I would welcome all three of those managers to City, but I don't see what they have that is different from what Vieira can offer. What it comes down to is what a manager says when he is interviewed by the club for the position.

As a little extra...

Ferguson:
1974 East Stirlingshire
1974–1978 St. Mirren
1978–1986 Aberdeen
1985–1986 Scotland

Before he went to United, what evidence is there that Ferguson could go on to guarantee success for United?

Ferguson did eff all in his first few season with the rags as well and if that happens here he is sacked. We don't have the time to allow certain managers to adjust and make their mark. Klopp, Simeone and Martinez are promising managers but nothing more. Klopp is very overrated in my opinion whilst Simeone needs to show consistency or he has done nothing more than had one quality season. We've given chances to Mancini and Pellegrini, had Hughes as a potential up and coming manager. Moving forward we either go for a proven CL winner or we go for someone young and take a chance. For me that man has to be Vieira because he knows this club.

 

[yayas trusty right foot]

I think Vieira will be a fantastic manager for City..

His teams have done well in his short coaching career and he has won everything as a player..

 

[dobobobo]

IMO Simeone is possibly the best manager out there, although perhaps a little outspoken for our image?
Klopp although going through a difficult time since losing his best players to BM, is a fantastic manager.
Martinez has proved his worth.

Simeone:
2006 Racing
2006–2007 Estudiantes
2007–2008 River Plate
2009–2010 San Lorenzo
2011 Catania
2011 Racing
2011– Atlético Madrid

Klopp:
2001–2008 1. FSV Mainz 05
2008– Borussia Dortmund

Martinez:
2007–2009 Swansea City
2009–2013 Wigan Athletic
2013– Everton

Where is the evidence that all three of those manages can come to City and guarantee success? For the record I would welcome all three of those managers to City, but I don't see what they have that is different from what Vieira can offer. What it comes down to is what a manager says when he is interviewed by the club for the position.

As a little extra...

Ferguson:
1974 East Stirlingshire
1974–1978 St. Mirren
1978–1986 Aberdeen
1985–1986 Scotland

Before he went to United, what evidence is there that Ferguson could go on to guarantee success for United?

Ferguson did eff all in his first few season with the rags as well and if that happens here he is sacked. We don't have the time to allow certain managers to adjust and make their mark. Klopp, Simeone and Martinez are promising managers but nothing more. Klopp is very overrated in my opinion whilst Simeone needs to show consistency or he has done nothing more than had one quality season. We've given chances to Mancini and Pellegrini, had Hughes as a potential up and coming manager. Moving forward we either go for a proven CL winner or we go for someone young and take a chance. For me that man has to be Vieira because he knows this club.

Spot on.

 

[dobobobo]

I think Vieira will be a fantastic manager for City..

His teams have done well in his short coaching career and he has won everything as a player..

Not quite, he's never won a Champions League trophy.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Vieira won't be our next manager but he could well be the one after that if he carries on developing in the right way. But he won't be ready for a few seasons yet and will have spent some time working with the first team before he takes over.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Forget all this crap about being a future manager here.

He should be more viewed as an eventual successor to Txiki.

Vieira will be to us what Zidane is for Madrid.

Nobody talks about him as the next Real boss when they fancy a change.

Vieira is of that same ilk, he wants an relatively easy life and his name resonates crucially with the present generation of footballers.

He's our calling card for the next 20 years if he wants to be.

 

[Ray78]

I must admit it is still a gamble which is probably too risky for both us and Viera.

 

[sam-caddick]

Vieira has proved he was a great leader as a player and is proving with the EDS that he can not only coach and improve players but get those players playing sone excellent football. If he can blend the two at senior level he will become a decent manager.

I fear that if we don't promote someone like Vieira to at least one of the first team coaches I don't know when our youngsters will get a chance because with Vieira coaching or managing at senior level I reckon we would be guaranteed to see the best kids come through.

The only way I see Pellegrini playing the kids on a more consistent basis and putting his trust in them is if it is forced onto him by Txiki because why would he want to go out of his way and risk his job putting faith into kids when the club currently has and can purchase established players?

I think if Vieira wins the U21 Premier League and/ or the UEFA Youth League I reckon he will have quite a few clubs wanting to take him with him also putting a marker down for Khaldoon, Soriano and Txiki to take notice and therefore putting him in the mix for the City job if Pellegrini is not to be the manager next season.

 

[decmancity]

Forget all this crap about being a future manager here.

He should be more viewed as an eventual successor to Txiki.

Vieira will be to us what Zidane is for Madrid.

Nobody talks about him as the next Real boss when they fancy a change.

Vieira is of that same ilk, he wants an relatively easy life and his name resonates crucially with the present generation of footballers.

He's our calling card for the next 20 years if he wants to be.

But does he not have ambitions to be a first team manager?

Zidane is a coach for the Castilla but also as we all know gets on the phone to players if needed to help convince them. Wouldn't Vieira be more than happy to do something like that whilst also being on the training pitch every day rather than a "office" job like Txiki has?

 

[allan harper]

Interesting story about Vieira and his management style - perhaps a little off topic but made me chuckle when i heard it.

My mate is the reserve team manager at a decent football league club and they played the EDS last year and got an absolute drubbing - something like 5 or 6 - 0. Neverless my mate continued to encourage his team on the touchline, with various shouts of "well played", "good play" etc. He clapped them off at the end, with a few pats on the back.

After the game Vieira came up to my mate for a chat and said "Why do you continue to praise and applaud your team...you have just been easily beaten by a better team, you should not be praising them!" Clearly a difference in management / coaching style and it wound my mate up a bit. My mate explained that the players still need encouragement to improve and keep their confidence and argued that Vieira must of been encouraged like this throughout his career.

Vieira responded, perhaps maybe with a bit of tongue in cheek but I think he was almost being serious, "I was only praised one time and told well done in my career and that was when......

I lifted the World Cup with France!"

My mate shook his hand and quietly walked away...you cant argue with someone when they have an answer like that.

None of the city coaching staff at any age group single out individual players for praise no matter how well they've played. Its all about assessment and progress , even the parents of these kids don't get any idea off the coaches how their kids are doing.

My mates lad was the goalkeeper for city under 9 or 11s can't remember which exact age group. He use to tell me it sent his lad into paranoia , as he always needed reassurances off his dad that he played a good game as the coaches would never say anything.

 

[bitsmith]

Probably gonna be Arsenal manager at some time.

 

[yankcitizen76]

What's that line. Sometimes the best students don't make the best teachers. Of course, I may be wrong? One thing about Vieria, he sure is well liked. That may get him the job outright.

 

[117 M34]

Should be a good FA cup manager

 

[117 M34]

Forget all this crap about being a future manager here.

He should be more viewed as an eventual successor to Txiki.

Vieira will be to us what Zidane is for Madrid.

Nobody talks about him as the next Real boss when they fancy a change.

Vieira is of that same ilk, he wants an relatively easy life and his name resonates crucially with the present generation of footballers.

He's our calling card for the next 20 years if he wants to be.

This is what I said when he first was hired after his retirement

 

[BlueDejong]

City Watch ‏@City_Watch 13h13 hours ago
Marwood all but confirm‍s that Vieira could be City manager at some point in the future and that they believe in "succession planning".

Patrick Vieira, being groomed as a City manager of the future, has a key role at lavish training facility which has been six years in making

City have left nothing to chance in the pursuit of excellence. Ambition is everywhere. On what Marwood calls “Patrick’s pitch”, Vieira continues moulding his Elite Development Squad as the club works towards a target of a first team of “four to six” home-grown players. Vieira himself continues to be nurtured as a future manager.

Vieira is clearly viewed as a future manager. “I will say yes,’’ replied Marwood. “At what stage I don’t know because he still has to get more experiences. But we believe in succession planning here, whether it’s players, staff, non-playing staff. We believed in Patrick from the beginning because we felt he could become that person one day. Patrick displays the behaviour, values and the abilities to become a top manager.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/11277373/Manchester-Citys-new-150m-academy-The-English-Milan-Lab-from-which-they-aim-to-rule-Europe.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... urope.html</a>

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2862444/PATRICK-VIEIRA-MEETS-MARTIN-KEOWN-Welcome-Manchester-City-s-new-Football-Factory.html

It feels odd to see Vieira in such a significant role at City. Why is he not at Arsenal, where he played for nine years? It was Brian Marwood, football administrator and another ex-Arsenal player, who had the foresight to ensure it was City’s gain.

'I am at home here. I am working with Brian, who has been like a mentor to me. When I retired, he offered me a path and a future. There is nothing I would not do for City and, whatever I do next, it will only be with the blessing of this club.'

He has decided he wants to be a manager, one day – 'I am 200 per cent sure,' he says. He is also aware that a black manager being successful would be significant. 'I would be naive if I didn’t recognise that, but I will only leave here if it is the right choice. It is important that I succeed; I want to be a great manager.' Like everything else at City, he seems to be on a journey.

Pat will make a great manager one day, possibly for City - why should he go anywhere else and feel like he’s taking a step back?
'Us ex-Arsenal players question why he is at City and not Arsenal. I have found out why. He was a falling star and City rescued him, offered him direction. He does not forget. He is not an Arsenal man at City. He is a City man and they are lucky to have him.

Vieira has been a key figure at the Etihad Stadium since he ended his playing career there in 2011.

The 38-year-old Frenchman is widely regarded as a future first-team manager at City, with reports suggesting that he might leave the club if he doesn't get his chance on the bigger stage soon.

But those are rumours which he quashed immediately.

He added: "I don't have any reason to leave this football club. If you look at the club five years ago to now, can you imagine what will happen in the next five years? I want to be part of it.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/manchester-city-reap-rewards-200m-4774167" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... 0m-4774167</a>

Could be future City manager...