Vincent Kompany

[mancity1]

You see all that from the TV over in Melbourne?

Some argue seeing is believing , some believe seeing is believing , some know seeing is believing and some never believe what they see.

Its patently obvious the average punter Vinny is not himself this year.

I'm not in disagreement with your second sentence. It's the reason he's not himself I'm prepared to argue against.
You seem convinced that injuries, a lack of cohesion along the back four with chopping and changing for chopping and changes sake, poor tactics deployed from midfield that adds extra burden to the CB's, and a high line that has seen us caught out time and time again have nothing to do with his drop in form.
I believe the complete opposite. Hopefully a new manager will tell us one way or the other... Unless it's true that our manager has no say on how we play and we're going to stick to what we do regardless.
If that's the case then I wouldnt blame Kompany for any disillusion he might be feeling.
He's the best CB at the club, one of the best in Europe and losing him whilst he's at the prime age for a CB would be a fuck up of huge proportions.

I wish people would think about the premise he will want out of this club if we employ a new captain as that won't happen.

What will happen is that he will become a better player for us than otherwise he is and maybe prolong his career at city which most of us including me other then the kompany outers for out sake want.

I genuinely believe if its possible he wants to play out his days at the club injury and form and other personal factors considered.

None of the above have to do with leadership per say which is my point , they play a role on his matchday performance individually of course but I am not focussing my discussion on his form as result of these factors which do come into play of course and leadership would suggest long discussions with the manager about the best way to resolve the scenarios keeping the desire for MP to employ the possession game as best as intact as is possible.

The fact it hasn't been falls back on VK and MP adn highlights what I have been saying about leadership.

 

[Phil1]

t has little to do with his poor season to be truthful playing wise it has to do with factors far more important than that , poor for a number of reasons on and off the field. quote.

does this hint at our captain being gay?

This is going to sound batshit, I know when I was told it that was my first thought but..
One of the weddings I had at the weekend I got talking to a guest who owned an estate agents in wilmslow which dealt with players rentals.
He told me that Vinny had been caught having an affair with another City players wife.
He didn't say who, and I called him a lying **** to his face. I still don't believe it but it goes to show how many rumours are out there. He seemed like the type who will repeat that story to anyone who will listen, a proper slimy bastard. But like anything that's repeated often enough people begin to think there's some truth.
I'm still sticking to my own reasonings as to his poor form.

 

[Phil1]

Some argue seeing is believing , some believe seeing is believing , some know seeing is believing and some never believe what they see.

Its patently obvious the average punter Vinny is not himself this year.

I'm not in disagreement with your second sentence. It's the reason he's not himself I'm prepared to argue against.
You seem convinced that injuries, a lack of cohesion along the back four with chopping and changing for chopping and changes sake, poor tactics deployed from midfield that adds extra burden to the CB's, and a high line that has seen us caught out time and time again have nothing to do with his drop in form.
I believe the complete opposite. Hopefully a new manager will tell us one way or the other... Unless it's true that our manager has no say on how we play and we're going to stick to what we do regardless.
If that's the case then I wouldnt blame Kompany for any disillusion he might be feeling.
He's the best CB at the club, one of the best in Europe and losing him whilst he's at the prime age for a CB would be a fuck up of huge proportions.

I wish people would think about the premise he will want out of this club if we employ a new captain as that won't happen.

What will happen is that he will become a better player for us than otherwise he is and maybe prolong his career at city which most of us including me other then the kompany outers for out sake want.

I genuinely believe if its possible he wants to play out his days at the club injury and form and other personal factors considered.

None of the above have to do with leadership per say which is my point , they play a role on his matchday performance individually of course but I am not focussing my discussion on his form as result of these factors which do come into play of course and leadership would suggest long discussions with the manager about the best way to resolve the scenarios keeping the desire for MP to employ the possession game as best as intact as is possible.

The fact it hasn't been falls back on VK and MP adn highlights what I have been saying about leadership.

I've not said he'd leave because he wasn't the captain. I said he'd be disillusioned if the next manager came in and expected the back four to continue to play the way they do now.

 

[mancity1]

I'm not in disagreement with your second sentence. It's the reason he's not himself I'm prepared to argue against.
You seem convinced that injuries, a lack of cohesion along the back four with chopping and changing for chopping and changes sake, poor tactics deployed from midfield that adds extra burden to the CB's, and a high line that has seen us caught out time and time again have nothing to do with his drop in form.
I believe the complete opposite. Hopefully a new manager will tell us one way or the other... Unless it's true that our manager has no say on how we play and we're going to stick to what we do regardless.
If that's the case then I wouldnt blame Kompany for any disillusion he might be feeling.
He's the best CB at the club, one of the best in Europe and losing him whilst he's at the prime age for a CB would be a fuck up of huge proportions.

I wish people would think about the premise he will want out of this club if we employ a new captain as that won't happen.

What will happen is that he will become a better player for us than otherwise he is and maybe prolong his career at city which most of us including me other then the kompany outers for out sake want.

I genuinely believe if its possible he wants to play out his days at the club injury and form and other personal factors considered.

None of the above have to do with leadership per say which is my point , they play a role on his matchday performance individually of course but I am not focussing my discussion on his form as result of these factors which do come into play of course and leadership would suggest long discussions with the manager about the best way to resolve the scenarios keeping the desire for MP to employ the possession game as best as intact as is possible.

The fact it hasn't been falls back on VK and MP adn highlights what I have been saying about leadership.

I've not said he'd leave because he wasn't the captain. I said he'd be disillusioned if the next manager came in and expected the back four to continue to play the way they do now.

Fair enough but you have touched on the possibility that VK is at odds with the game style MP employs and largely has for with some minor adjustment for his tenure which may well be the case but if so I suggest that's its something that VK and MP would have or should have addressed long before it started to affect results if in fact that is the case.

The best run clubs and the most successful clubs are when managers know who to trust and delegate on and off the field set roles.

Leaders and managers have robust discussion bouncing ideas off each other all the time to improve the relationship and better understand each others thinking about the same issue.

Its clearly not happening with MP and Vinny and both are to blame.

 

[Phil1]

I wish people would think about the premise he will want out of this club if we employ a new captain as that won't happen.

What will happen is that he will become a better player for us than otherwise he is and maybe prolong his career at city which most of us including me other then the kompany outers for out sake want.

I genuinely believe if its possible he wants to play out his days at the club injury and form and other personal factors considered.

None of the above have to do with leadership per say which is my point , they play a role on his matchday performance individually of course but I am not focussing my discussion on his form as result of these factors which do come into play of course and leadership would suggest long discussions with the manager about the best way to resolve the scenarios keeping the desire for MP to employ the possession game as best as intact as is possible.

The fact it hasn't been falls back on VK and MP adn highlights what I have been saying about leadership.

I've not said he'd leave because he wasn't the captain. I said he'd be disillusioned if the next manager came in and expected the back four to continue to play the way they do now.

Fair enough but you have touched on the possibility that VK is at odds with the game style MP employs and largely has for with some minor adjustment for his tenure which may well be the case but if so I suggest that's its something that VK and MP would have or should have addressed long before it started to affect results if in fact that is the case.

The best run clubs and the most successful clubs are when managers know who to trust and delegate on and off the field set roles.

Leaders and managers have robust discussion bouncing ideas off each other all the time to improve the relationship and better understand each others thinking about the same issue.

Its clearly not happening with MP and Vinny and both are to blame.

I agree with all of that. In an ideal world the manager and his captain should be able to come together and iron out any problems they feel might be affecting results.
Everything I say is just guesswork from watching us this season. You don't hear anything about Vinny's personnel life in the press, he seems to be highly thought of by everyone in the game so it's only on the pitch I've got to work with.
I'd like to think a new manager will invigorate him, but I honestly don't know what will happen.

 

[Ray78]

I am going to get slated here but injuries are going to cost him. It's not down to what he has achieved but I am looking to the future (despite him signing a long term deal).

 

[Phil1]

I am going to get slated here but injuries are going to cost him. It's not down to what he has achieved but I am looking to the future (despite him signing a long term deal).

You've hardly gone out on a limb there have you? Injuries have already cost him. We need to give him the required time needed to recover from them instead of rushing him back constantly. He's at the perfect age for a CB and will be for the next 3 at least. Not sure how far into the future you're looking?

 

[mancity1]

t has little to do with his poor season to be truthful playing wise it has to do with factors far more important than that , poor for a number of reasons on and off the field. quote.

does this hint at our captain being gay?

This is going to sound batshit, I know when I was told it that was my first thought but..
One of the weddings I had at the weekend I got talking to a guest who owned an estate agents in wilmslow which dealt with players rentals.
He told me that Vinny had been caught having an affair with another City players wife.
He didn't say who, and I called him a lying c**t to his face. I still don't believe it but it goes to show how many rumours are out there. He seemed like the type who will repeat that story to anyone who will listen, a proper slimy bastard. But like anything that's repeated often enough people begin to think there's some truth.
I'm still sticking to my own reasonings as to his poor form.

As I said for some unless you see it with your own eyes you don't believe it and even when you do sometimes you still don't.

I wouldn't have thought my best man at my wedding was screwing his neighbours wife for 2 years before he got sprung but there you go you never know your neighbour as they say.

Around 25 per cent of men cheat on their wifes or at least think about it and the rest cop out and watch porn instead which many say is still cheating only in mind but not in body (LOL).

Whether Vinny sees himself as Tiger Woods mark two with his addictions who knows and I don't care one way or the other.

I may sound trite and immoral but if sex with more than one partner improves his perfomance on the pitch then all power to him.

 

[Cellarite]

t has little to do with his poor season to be truthful playing wise it has to do with factors far more important than that , poor for a number of reasons on and off the field. quote.

does this hint at our captain being gay?

This is going to sound batshit, I know when I was told it that was my first thought but..
One of the weddings I had at the weekend I got talking to a guest who owned an estate agents in wilmslow which dealt with players rentals.
He told me that Vinny had been caught having an affair with another City players wife.
He didn't say who, and I called him a lying c**t to his face. I still don't believe it but it goes to show how many rumours are out there. He seemed like the type who will repeat that story to anyone who will listen, a proper slimy bastard. But like anything that's repeated often enough people begin to think there's some truth.
I'm still sticking to my own reasonings as to his poor form.

As I said for some unless you see it with your own eyes you don't believe it and even when you do sometimes you still don't.

I wouldn't have thought my best man at my wedding was screwing his neighbours wife for 2 years before he got sprung but there you go you never know your neighbour as they say.

Around 25 per cent of men cheat on their wifes or at least think about it and the rest cop out and watch porn instead which many say is still cheating only in mind but not in body (LOL).

Whether Vinny sees himself as Tiger Woods mark two with his addictions who knows and I don't care one way or the other.

I may sound trite and immoral but if sex with more than one partner improves his perfomance on the pitch then all power to him.

Christ, where to start with you?!?

You stated two pages back that "history will show we'll be more successful in Europe if he isn't the captain" - how on earth can you show that?

It seems to me that you've made your mind up about something that is your opinion only and won't hear of anything else.

 

[Ray78]

I am going to get slated here but injuries are going to cost him. It's not down to what he has achieved but I am looking to the future (despite him signing a long term deal).

You've hardly gone out on a limb there have you? Injuries have already cost him. We need to give him the required time needed to recover from them instead of rushing him back constantly. He's at the perfect age for a CB and will be for the next 3 at least. Not sure how far into the future you're looking?

He is a key player but he is missing chunks of the season at crucial times and is making irrational decisions. This might be one of a few more extremely un popular decisions the club will make.