Is it ok to proportion 'some' of the blame to England fans for the violence over the past few days and nights?
Looks to me like they were given it the big un' before the Maghrebi locals and Ivan came in and escalated things.
Lesson is, don't be acting the big man if you can't back it up and don't booze if you continuously make a complete **** of yourself.
Every time fans are involved in violence abroad, you'll always get the 'it wasn't us' stuff. Doesn't matter which team it is, it's the one constant.
This time round, it does appear that the Russians have got themselves organised against England fans who aren't. They've probably learnt this from previous England expeditions abroad!
Why in God's name fans cant just go for a beer and have a good time is beyond me, but I've seen City fans at Wembley acting like cunts after being on the beer all day.
England fans being reported as singing 'where the fuck are ISIS' and 'we're voting 'out' (that one is quite funny). Unfortunately not all of Europe has the British sense of humour, and maybe some of these chants, by large groups of pissed up blokes standing with their arms outstretched, doesn't go down well with the locals.
The problem now is for ordinary Russian fans who might well feel the backlash from England fans out for revenge. Hopefully the Welsh and English fans will just have a good laugh and enjoy themselves, but if there's a Cardiff contingent out there, then it might just get a bit nasty.
Fuck going abroad, just too much hassle, and I certainly wouldn't feel any better in a French A&E if it was down to someone else.