Was this the story pulled earlier? Mancini V Tevez {merged}

[Braggster]

Interesting point. I read an article by Jonathan Wilson not too long ago talking about how every team that had employed a false 9, including United with Tèvez, had had success-but how, in the end, the manager had abandoned the system (and thus the player), despite its wild success.

Interesting theory. I think it's because the role is such a huge departure from the orthodox, and ultimately a great leap of faith by the manager, who abandons a lot of (perhaps illusory) control over events. Even if successful, that psychological leap is too much for almost all managers in the end. Even the very best ones.

 

[sears1234]

i'm sorry for my mistake , i really was thinking he scored 3 on pens. for all the rest i take my points. without tevez City may have played in ten man , or picked another player who , maybe, would had scored more than the 3 tevez's goals.

You further proved Mancini is an idiot.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

So, is Tevez's Mam worth fucking then or what ?

What you reckon?

 

[pee dubya]

If you replaced Mancini, would you just be replacing Mancini though? Balotelli springs to mind, would he want to stay?

Look at it the other way, it would maybe be easier to replace Mancini, but i'd imagine far more has been invested in Mancini + his signings and staff, than in Tevez.

Of course some of them would be transferable to the next manager, but i'd suggest not all.

One of the key features of the post Hughes transfers was that the players were sourced by a committee rather than by the manager. The idea was to not end up in a situation like we ended up with when Mancini pitched up where he basically decided that half the squad wasn't good enough. Balo is the obvious exception...

I totally take your point about what's been invested in Mancini, but as we saw when Hughes was sacked, investment or no investment, when the Sheikh decides it's not working, he isn't going to hang around mulling over whether to pull the trigger...

As I said above though, this conversation is purely hypothetical - Mancini's doing an excellent job and has bought some top class players and there's no reason to think he won't be here for years to come. When I posted that I thought Tevez would be here longer than him it was simply because my belief is that we will be his last club before he moves back to Argentina, so will be here for some time yet...

Yeah fair point, there was an interview very recently with Marwood about how he prepares lengthy dossiers on each potential signing in an effort to ensure they are absolutely correct, mentally and in terms of ability, for the way the club is looking to move on. The complete opposite to the scattergun approach suggested by ill-informed media, journos and other clubs fans (he also set Toure's wages straight, 200k is very maximum potential earnings if the club wins absolutely everything this season).

There is a difference between Hughes and Mancini though, in that they actually chose Mancini, i don't think he'd be ditched mid-season like Hughes was, unless it went catastrophically wrong. I hope you are right that Tevez stays for a long time. I'm actually not sure that Mancini plans to be here long term, obviously the next few seasons yes, but i think his role is really to turn us into a winning club, i think he would prefer to be back in Italy and if the national team for example came calling in a few years time he'd be off. The idea being he would have left the platform for a new manager to come in and have to try very hard to cock it up.

 

[dannybcity]

Last season he played alongside Ade and was still our leading goalscorer. He's shown that when you give him the responsibility to score goals, he'll score them. And not just goals against so called lesser teams, but big goals in big matches. His record in the league stands at 39 appearances, 28 goals.

Any manager who would rather not have Tevez in his squad is not the kind of manager I'd want at City. That goes for Mancini, Mourinho, Wenger, whoever...

Did he actually play that many games with Ade last season? I reckon, but I'm willing to be proven wrong, that he scored the majority of his goals playing up front on his own.

 

[Marvin]

Tevez will possibly be the best signing City ever make because he is a great goal scorer, and so much more. He has the work rate of De Jong, and is the most creative player in City's team

I think it would be wrong to go along with the agenda of Tevez v mancini. Tevez is Mancini's Captain, and he plays him almost every game

 

[fbloke]

There are times in football when the architect of the success, the builder of the foundations if you will, doesn't survive the hard graft and painful surgery that oftentimes is needed to deliver the success.

I dont think Hughes can claim any of the success that City are going to have as his style and methods are a dimming memory (and IMO thats a good thing) and I cannot honestly see Mancini being sacrificed for popularity, or because of media pressure if things are bumpier than planned or imagined.

I personally think the board took a look, a close look at the attitudes of the people on the footballing side and saw more good than bad and that was where Mancini was asked to fix things.

The determination of the man should not be underestimated as well.

And perhaps being at City and creating history is more than enough for players such as Tevez as it an addictive thing.

 

[Blue Tooth]

From the Guardian

Roberto Mancini has confirmed he had an angry exchange with Carlos Tevez over tactics at half-time of Manchester City's game against Newcastle United but insisted there was no lingering bad feeling between himself and the Argentinian.

Mancini had reacted aggressively when he heard Tevez making a derogatory comment in Spanish as he came into the dressing room. The subsequent row became so heated that at one point Tevez was told he was being substituted and started removing his kit. Team-mates and coaching staff eventually intervened but Mancini made it clear he would not hold any grudges when Tevez returns from the international break.

"What happened in our dressing room happens in others as well. And when it matters it is good that it happens. Against Newcastle we had gone to sleep in the first half, so the confrontation with Tevez was exactly the alarm call everybody needed.

"The confrontation with Tevez was really ballsy. And in the second half City deservedly won. The alarm call worked well. We [Mancini and Tevez] sorted everything between us before the restart. And when I took him off at the end we shook hands again. Now and then a good shake-up is healthy."

Mancini described as "bollocks" one report that he had insulted Tevez's mother and confirmed, as revealed in the Guardian, that it was actually about the team's tactical formation, with his leading scorer frustrated about playing as a lone striker throughout the early part of the season.

This system, he said, would change shortly. "It's out of necessity. [Emmanual] Adebayor has just recovered from injury, [Mario] Balotelli not so. Without flying full backs like [Jérôme] Boateng and [Aleksandar] Kolarov, who can push forward, I've had to adjust the team to get results and stay in touch with the leaders. But only until everyone is back and fit."

To make his point, Mancini went on to say that Tevez should be regarded alongside the likes of leading Serie A strikers such as Samuel Eto'o and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

"Tevez is up there with them. He scores in the big matches, he fights against defenders 6ft4 tall, he has quality and grit. But a great side cannot depend on one player only." He had made him captain, he said, "because I want him to improve in all respects, he has the potential and he is improving."

Tevez's relationship with Mancini has been frayed at times since the Italian replaced Mark Hughes, with the player on record as saying there should not have been a change of manager, as well as criticising the new training methods.

In particular, he has objected to Mancini's habit of arranging a double session every Tuesday when there is no midweek match, but the former Internazionale manager rejected the criticism. "It's a myth. I've imposed double training sessions only three or four times last season and not once this season. Yet the media go on and on with this."

Speaking to Gazzetta dello Sport, Mancini was asked to explain his recent remarks about Adam Johnson, a player whose attitude has been questioned by the City coaching staff.

"Adam is young, but he has got what it takes. He just needs to understand it is not enough to dribble past an opponent six times to feel entitled to think he reached the top. You need to dribble but you also need a cutting shot like the goal against Juve [in the Europa League], or the 2-1 win against Newcastle. If I didn't believe in Adam's potential I would not work him like this."

Mancini was also asked about Nigel de Jong's leg-breaking tackle on Newcastle's Hatem Ben Arfa and the midfielder's reputation now that he has been dropped from the Netherlands squad.

"I am extremely sorry for Ben Arfa, who is an extraordinary player and I sincerely hope he recovers speedily. De Jong plays with grit, but he's not dirty. He tackles hard, but never intending to hurt. Last Sunday was an accident. The referee saw it all, and did not even award a free kick against him. As for the Dutch coach, I'm not going to interfere with his decisions."

The City manager was reminded of De Jong's now-infamous kick into the ribs of Spain's Xabi Alonso during the World Cup final. "That tackle was out of order, uncoordinated in the extreme. But I hope that referees continue to evaluate De Jong with fairness."

 

[Marvin]

There are times in football when the architect of the success, the builder of the foundations if you will, doesn't survive the hard graft and painful surgery that oftentimes is needed to deliver the success.

I dont think Hughes can claim any of the success that City are going to have as his style and methods are a dimming memory (and IMO thats a good thing) and I cannot honestly see Mancini being sacrificed for popularity, or because of media pressure if things are bumpier than planned or imagined.

I personally think the board took a look, a close look at the attitudes of the people on the footballing side and saw more good than bad and that was where Mancini was asked to fix things.

The determination of the man should not be underestimated as well.

And perhaps being at City and creating history is more than enough for players such as Tevez as it an addictive thing.

I can also see tevez moving on as his family are not with him. At some point I think he will play in Spain, or return to South America in the build up to the World Cup.

 

[Ragnarok]

In my personal opinion , i can see Tevez retiring in about 3 years or so