We Won !!! No Thanks To Hughes

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

With all the other englsih teams going out in last 32, group and round one, you can't sniff at going through v a Champs League side.

Yep, becasue every team that has ever appeared in the Champions league is of a top standard, aren't they.

I suggest that Moscow and Shaktar are significantly stronger than Aalborg and that the assumption that a team is good just because they appeared as whipping boys in a Champions League group is a ridiculous one

 

[bluemanc]

I'd just love to hear a decent argument in favour of him that doesn't just rely on the 'give him time' line.

That should be good enough & it's the only way we will get anywhere.

Our idiots even have a banner aswell.

We Won !!! No Thanks To Hughes

What sort of a fuckin idiot would post that after we'd won,says it all really.

He asked for an argument that relies on something other than the old "give him time, look at what Fergie did" cliche. Not for someone to repeat it.

Maybe something detailing the solid progression that he has made with the team and performances. or maybe something that shows how having some very talented players in the squad has produced results that are equal to or slightly better than could be expected with those resources. Or maybe something showing how results in the second half of the season confirm that he is taking us places.

I'd love to see any of those detailed in a tangible way that relies on facts rather than cliches.

He asked for an argument that relies on something other than the old "give him time, look at what Fergie did" cliche. Not for someone to repeat it.

No he didn't.
He's taken us to the last 8 of the UEFA cup & the only thing letting us down is our away form,what will the argument be to get rid if he sorts that out........"He's a rag ???" which is what most of it's about anyway.

 

[Blue Mooner]

He's matched the cup record of every manager since John Bond already. And beats them all if we beat Hamburg.

Crap though obviously.

Well, out of these results, given the quality of opposition, which do you think is something a top class manager would point to and say "I'm really proud of that result."

And which do you think a top class manager would say "I under performed there".

You know, as you seem so impressed with his cup record. (I won't list the league results as we all know the story there).

I make the Schalke result a result to be proud of and better than could have reasonably expected with the talent we have. Whilst there are a number of shockers in there. You obviously see it very differently and it would be interesting to hear why?


EB/Streymur N 2 : 0
EB/Streymur N 2 : 0
FC Midtjylland H 0 : 1
FC Midtjylland A 1 : 0
AC Omonia A 2 : 1
Brighton and Hove Albion A 2 : 2
AC Omonia H 2 : 1
FC Twente H 3 : 2
Schalke A 2 : 0
Paris Saint Germain H 0 : 0
Real Racing Club A 1 : 3
Nottingham Forest H 0 : 3
FC Copenhagen A 2 : 2
FC Copenhagen H 2 : 1
AaB H 2 : 0
AaB A 0 : 2


You know, since his cup record is something that is so good.

Do the games Groclin Dyskobolia or Lokeren mean anything to you ?

So If United win the European Cup this season do you think they're going to worry about drawing with Aalborg at Old Trafford ?

You can keep dragging up the FA Cup at Forest and Carling Cup at Brighton but one was early in the season and we were a minute from going through and lost with a slightly weakened side (something that a lot of managers do in the Carling Cup) and at Forest we all know it was a poor performance but it was a severely weakened team (Pearce esque) - that one result certainly doesn't mean that Hughes isn't the right man for the job - it was ONE game FFS.

He talked about the cup results and how they were impressive. Do you want me to invent games so that we can show some good results against decent teams.

No?

Yet you want me to remove shocking results against Forest and Brighton. That's quite a selection process you have there. Mind you, you also seem to be suggesting that the Brighton and Forest results were freak occurances that don't at all reflect other results this season, so I don't really know what to say.

As for United, the difference is, and this might be a difficult concept to understand, they also happen to get decent results against tough teams regularly. They don't point to results against the likes of Alborg as the pinacle of their season, which is what the above poster was doing.

What I think you should be doing is looking at the season as a whole and not picking out individual games which you think serve to back up your point of view. Cup shocks happen it doesn't mean the manager is incompetent. Conversely I could point to Liverpool away, Arsenal at home, Liverpool at home, Pompey at Home, Schalke Away and all the other games we won three nil as demonstrating our progression.

The season hasn't finished so you can't choose to measure progression when it suits your argument (ie after a poor performance) The fact is, whether you like it or not - or how we got there - we are in the UEFA cup quarter finals and that is a hell of an achievement based on previous excursions in the UEFA and our history over the last 30 years.

sacking managers is proven to get you nowhere, we are building and we are progressing and I think when Hughes can strengthen us - particularly in the striking department we will progress again.

 

[Anonymous]

He's taken us to the last 8 of the UEFA cup & the only thing letting us down is our away form,what will the argument be to get rid if he sorts that out........"He's a rag ???" which is what most of it's about anyway.

It's fuck all to do with that! The accusations directed towards those of us who doubt MH that it's because of his rag connections are purely designed to try to wind us up (it's bloody succeeding!) and are trotted out because there is no coherent argument being presented in his favour apart from the 'give him time' one.

 

[Balti]

He's matched the cup record of every manager since John Bond already. And beats them all if we beat Hamburg.

Crap though obviously.

Well, out of these results, given the quality of opposition, which do you think is something a top class manager would point to and say "I'm really proud of that result."

And which do you think a top class manager would say "I under performed there".

You know, as you seem so impressed with his cup record. (I won't list the league results as we all know the story there).

I make the Schalke result a result to be proud of and better than could have reasonably expected with the talent we have. Whilst there are a number of shockers in there. You obviously see it very differently and it would be interesting to hear why?


EB/Streymur N 2 : 0
EB/Streymur N 2 : 0
FC Midtjylland H 0 : 1
FC Midtjylland A 1 : 0
AC Omonia A 2 : 1
Brighton and Hove Albion A 2 : 2
AC Omonia H 2 : 1
FC Twente H 3 : 2
Schalke A 2 : 0
Paris Saint Germain H 0 : 0
Real Racing Club A 1 : 3
Nottingham Forest H 0 : 3
FC Copenhagen A 2 : 2
FC Copenhagen H 2 : 1
AaB H 2 : 0
AaB A 0 : 2


You know, since his cup record is something that is so good.

On that basis if we qualify for our first SF in 28 years or won our first trophy in 33 years then you'd use the same argument!!

I was merely addressing the point that you made.

I had hoped you would have addressed my counter point but it seems that you'd rather make a baseless assumption about how I would judge getting a result against Hamburg.

Anyway, I must go.

My counterpoint is that a SF or a final is a quantified success measured against more than 30 years of City history. You can only beat the teams that are put in front of you, as they say, in the cup. Our other cup performances have been dire but that doesn't take away from the fact that this competition may just be the saving grace of the season and his management.

As for 'inventing' good results I'd prefer to just highlight Pompey, Arsenal and Villa in the league. Our home form has on the whole been very good. Dodgy refereeing has made it only slightly less good than it might otherise have been. The away form has been piss poor make no mistake and his management style and tactics raise question marks I agree. But we cannot just dismiss the fact that we are one round away from our best cup performance in three decades!!!!! I've been waiting for far too long to just belittle it now. (IF........).

 

[Anonymous]

The season hasn't finished so you can't choose to measure progression when it suits your argument...

...we are progressing and... we will progress again.

I thought you can't choose to measure progression when it suits your argument, but there you go doing exactly that :-)

 

[Soulboy]

I'd just love to hear a decent argument in favour of him that doesn't just rely on the 'give him time' line.

That should be good enough & it's the only way we will get anywhere.

Our idiots even have a banner aswell.

We Won !!! No Thanks To Hughes

What sort of a fuckin idiot would post that after we'd won,says it all really.

He asked for an argument that relies on something other than the old "give him time, look at what Fergie did" cliche. Not for someone to repeat it.

Maybe something detailing the solid progression that he has made with the team and performances. or maybe something that shows how having some very talented players in the squad has produced results that are equal to or slightly better than could be expected with those resources. Or maybe something showing how results in the second half of the season confirm that he is taking us places.

I'd love to see any of those detailed in a tangible way that relies on facts rather than cliches.

He asked for an argument that relies on something other than the old "give him time, look at what Fergie did" cliche. Not for someone to repeat it.

No he didn't.
He's taken us to the last 8 of the UEFA cup & the only thing letting us down is our away form,what will the argument be to get rid if he sorts that out........"He's a rag ???" which is what most of it's about anyway.

Ah, the old "When you can't really back up your point, use the It's Because He's a Rag Everyone Wants Him To Fail argument..."

Nice one.

And if he does sort out the away form, and win the UEFA Cup, why the fuck would we want to get rid of him? I WANT him to succeed, are the Pro-Hughes so blind to that fact?

But we've yet to hear a compelling case for his retention, that's all. No biggie.

 

[JohnMaddocksAxe]

Blue Mooner

Just before I go, let me address your point.

Of course he will strengthen us when he is allowed to get the money out again. We are the richest club in the world with the pulling powera and spending power that goes with it. Even the worst manager in the world could get progress of some sort just by spending millions on players who are proven quality like Bellamy, Kompany, SWP and De Jong. That doesn't mean it's anywhere hear the level of progress that a decent manager could achieve.

You know, the sort of progress that produces good results, against good teams, makes us a team that is hard to beat, gets a lot of points on the board, etc, etc, etc.

Anyway, I didn't choose the parameters for the games shown above. He did by talking about our brilliant cup record and how that makes Hughes a success. What do you want me to do about that?

As for choosing individual results to back up your argument. That's exactly what you have done with the few half decent results we have had. Results that stand out against a season of shite results.

You then ask me to judge the season as a whole. I am doing. It has been shit. We are out of two cups to pathetic teams and six points off relegation. Despite have millions of pounds worth of talent and having a better squad than 80% of the league.

Yet I am supposed to swallow that it's a good season because we have beaten some second rate teams in the Uefa Cup.

If you think that this season represents anything approaching a successful one then we obviously have a very different view on the quality of our players. I happen to think they are significantly better than the likes of Hull,Wigan, West Ham, Bolton, etc. What a nutter I am.

now, I really have to go

 

[bluemanc]

With all the other englsih teams going out in last 32, group and round one, you can't sniff at going through v a Champs League side.

Yep, becasue every team that has ever appeared in the Champions league is of a top standard, aren't they.

I suggest that Moscow and Shaktar are significantly stronger than Aalborg and that the assumption that a team is good just because they appeared as whipping boys in a Champions League group is a ridiculous one

whipping boys in a Champions League group

Villarreal & the rags have both reached the last 8 of the chumps league so they got beat by good teams & the rags couldn't beat them at home.
They took 4pts of Celtic & they managed a draw at Celtic which is exactly what the rags got.
The shit team fits your agenda i guess, but it's bullshit & you know it.

 

[bluepeter62]

Ha Ha!! The Hughes haters are out on force and I just love to hear them cry. Well Hughes is going to be here for next season and I believe for quite a few after that. So keep your bullshit up has I just love to hear you whine!!

I'd just love to hear a decent argument in favour of him that doesn't just rely on the 'give him time' line.

There is no point arguing with the likes of you who just want him out because he used to play for the rags. Oh and please don't tell me that has nothing to do with it, because that has everything to do with it. So I will just laugh at you all and smile when he is still here next season and the one after that.

Maybe you all can start a renegade City team like those rag muppets did when the yanks bought the rags.

Oh dear God, I give up I really do. For the umpteenth time... I couldn't give a toss about the past connections of anyone at the club as long as they are the right person for the job. I happen to think that MH is not the right man.

Now, any chance of answering the question?

You are a liar who hasn't got the balls to tell the truth!