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schfc6 said:
Again with this nashark? Really?
You keep ignoring posts that give you examples of Mario's talent, ability and intelligence. His first goal at Old Trafford sums up his abilities better than any words can. I assure you Welbeck would not have scored that goal. That one goal, that one piece of action would indicate Balotelli's talent and intelligence. His movement for Evan's red card, would also indicate great football intelligence.
Yes he was stupid yesterday, he was also quite unlucky and yes he is also still young. Keane, Viera, Cantona, Rooney, Beckham, Vidic the list is endless, players all who have made unintelligent decisions on a football pitch, yet have achieved great things. Balotelli is 21, has won the Champions League, the World Young Player of the year, has an F.A. Cup medal and has domestic titles under his belt, and is on what a goal a game this season? For what it's worth, I have played with Crouch, played against Owen and Wes Brown does that validate my opinion any? NO. Ben Thornley also played with David Beckham, he's now playing in the East Cheshire Sunday I think, Mark Lynch has played with Becks, Giggs et al too, and he sells Utilities for Utilities warehouse, however I fail to see the relevance in any of that. If you think Balotelli's unintelligent, and won't have a better career than Welbeck then you are welcome to that opinion, if playing with Welbeck validates it more then great, but you are going to look very silly one day...
Again, you need to go back through the thread and read what I've actually posted. The op asked for a comparison of the two players, to which I offered my opinion (before becoming abusive because he didn't like my opinion). You are under the impression that I'm responsible for saying certain things when I'm not.
I brought up that I played with Welbeck, and said that at the level I played at with him, he was head and shoulders above everyone purely because he was stronger, quicker and fitter. Then I went on to say that he can't do that at this level because more technical ability is required. That was my view on Welbeck and though some people can't get over the fact that I've played with him (says more about their inadequacies than it does mine that they keep bringing it up), I can get over it and the only reason I brought it up was because it was relevant to my opinion. If you've played with Crouch, good for you but as you say, that's not relevant.
What I said about Balotelli is that he has one of the best shots in the game, but given that that ability is counterbalanced by poor passing, first touch, intelligence (when I was agreeing with Mourinho) and work-rate, then to me he is one of the weaker players in the squad and I genuinely think he's a liability. Most of the top pundits (Hansen, Redknapp and Souness) seem to share that opinion, so whilst it's not the popular opinion on here, it seems to be the popular opinion among people who are paid to analyse the game. I acknowledge that Mancini sees it different, but I think he's got it wrong and have given reasons for that.
Though the red card was harsh, what Balotelli did on Sunday was stupid. There's only so many stupid things a player can do before you have to conclude that he's stupid. You point out his finish in the derby which was good but I've never disputed his shooting ability on this thread. The run against Evans was more on topic, but that's natural to a striker and should be expected. That Balotelli does so many silly things and is so unreliable flies in the face of those brief glimpses of an ability to apply his brain to the game.
My only interest in City, and whilst that's hard to grasp among those who like all the wacky shit he does, we're in a position again where he's let the club down.
And to GDM, you'd be a top guy to have on my CV. I'll feel like a man of the world with all these bourgeois connections. Might even get myself one of those bowler hats.[/quote]
Yes but this is where I totally disagree, and don't understand the relevance to playing with Welbeck, his size, his strength or fitness. Mario is not a player that relies on these attributes. He is a natural talent, ignore that he is a big black lad for a moment and concentrate on his abilities. His touch is quality, see the Jonny Evans sending off for an example of this, a 1 touch perfect lay off and great movement in behind across the defender. All this would indicate talent. intelligence and ability. I keep giving you the first goal in the derby as an example of the all round forward, for some reason you can't see that, that goal was more about intelligence than "shooting". An average Premiership striker i.e. Welbeck would have hit that hard at the defender in front f him, the fact Balotelli finished the way he did shows intelligence. Mario is intelligent, he's bilingual, incredibly charismatic and yes often stupid. See nearly all world stars for this. One of the best players off all time 'let his team down' in the World Cup final. Big players with big personalities and big ego's make mistakes, how many times has Rooney let United or England down? How many times did Maradona let club and country down? Give the kid a break, even if you don't like him, or want to get behind him, to suggest he is no better than Welbeck is just daft. I have read the whole thread, you started off stupid, became arrogant and now seem rational. You still keep proclaiming your intelligence, but all that is dispelled by the very notion that Balotelli's 1st goal in the derby was down to 'good shooting'.
You bring up Souness, Redknapp, Hansen and Mourinho to back you, well the counter argument to that is the backing Mancini and Prandelli give him. Mourinho is a talent, but he has struggled to manage flamboyant talents throughout, he struggled with Mario, struggled with Eto'o, Higuian, Di Maria and Ronaldo. He loves players to tow the line, that is his style of management. Souness is a failed manager who constantly struggled with "egos". Redknapp, well he's just a toss pot, and worse a hypocrite, was the best stint of his career not in the "spice boys" a team who won effectively nothing, full of ego's and players who let themselves and their team down. Hansen, well the phrase modern world would come to mind there.
As I see it, you want a young, precocious, enigmatic talent to also make no mistakes, mistakes his peers and elders make time and time again. Score effectively a goal a game, entertain, work hard and still shine, whilst being victimised by all whom want him to fail. Redknapp is a great choice of reference, he would be the first to tell you that Mario doesn't track back, yet will still be first to criticize for getting a yellow for tugging back their right back mid way into our half. Redknapp you can't have it both ways.
