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On the last 2 seasons theme (this and 14/15 but excluding the 13/14 title) here is the cumulative table:

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Interesting that all the top teams have been shit over a 2 year period. We've just been less shit than the rest.....
 
What's his league win percentage if you take away the last 29 games?
I think it's quite impressive.
 
He's the third longest serving manager in the Premier League after Wenger and Eddie Howe. If he's a caretaker then every manager in the league other than Wenger is a caretaker. The average managerial tenure in English professional football is 1.23 years, Pellegrini has served well over double that!

He initially signed on a 3 year deal, so he should have been planning around that being his tenure, he's served the entire tenure of his contract. Sorriano has talked about managerial cycles going in 3 year cycles and then it's time for change, so you would assume Pellegrini was aware that was our CEO's management strategy. Guardiola signed for 3 years at Bayern, left after 3. He's signed a 3 year deal with us and I expect him to leave after 3. It's actually a fairly lengthy spell for a manager at the top of the game nowadays.

I accept everyone knew Guardiola was coming at the end of the season, but to be honest I think that bought him an extra season in the job. If a manager at Real, Barca or Chelsea had served up one as insipid as ours last season they would be out the door. Khaldoon said in his end of season review that we had fallen well short of expectations, he was visibly livid. The only reason he got the extra season was we knew Guardiola was coming and it made more sense keeping him than getting a caretaker in for a full season. If we didn't already have a deal in place for Guardiola he would have served two seasons, instead he got the additional sympathy season and he's made an absolute hash of it in the league. Again.

100% agree with you that it's a disasterous combination. As I said earlier, he does have a difficult job, knowing how to motivate comfortable millionaires who never have to work again to go and close down Lee Cattermole can't be easy. I'm not saying I could do it, it's a very particular skill set, but that's why he's getting paid 4million a year.

Again, 100% agree about Sagna and Zabaleta. There are clearly recruitment issues, as we've both agreed on. Personally I'd like to see some youth introduced to the side as it brings fresh legs, ambition, drive, motivation. I think that was one Slurgie's best tricks, introducing youth at the right time. They might not be as talented, but the eagerness can help add energy to the more established players. You've seen more of the youth team than me, so you'd know better than me who's ready and who isn't. But from what I have seen, there are certainly a few players who are ready to get more minutes and add some youthfullness and vitality to the team.

I'm not saying start them against Madrid, but maybe give them half an hour against Newcastle at home when we're 4-1 up. Start them against Norwich, whatever. I think the "lambs to the slaughter" approach away at Chelsea was probably the worst thing he could have done for their development. I understand you will say he's on a short term contract and can't take the risk of playing youth. But at the moment is Maffeo starting at right back a bigger risk than starting Zabaleta? Is starting one of the Garcia's instead of the tried and busted combination of Yaya and Fernando a bigger risk? Is starting anyone from the youth team left wing a bigger risk than playing Delph there?

Non of the other managers have ever been employed in a similar role to this. He took the job as a caretaker. He was always in the job till Pep was available.
To argue otherwise is pointless and wrong. It's the first time to my knowledge a manager has been employed with his fate already sealed. Stats regarding anyother manager are totally irrelevant. Unless those managers were employed under identical or even similar circumstances. Name one manager who took a job knowing it was semi permenant.

I refer you to your initial response. You tell me Sorriano has written in his book about this happening at Barcelona. Txiki was at Barcelona, no?
So they have experienced this before, yet decided to repeat it? Under more difficult circumstances. Idiotic if you ask me.
As a DOF Txiki has overseen a squad growing old and complacent before? Seems like he's a bit shit to me then.

You argue we've gone backwards since Pellegrini, I could argue the same can be said of Txiki.
On field they have done nothing Cook and Marwood weren't doing.
Off field Sorriano is doing a great job as far as I can see.

The bringing up of youth is an interesting. The EDS seems to be utterly rudderless too. Viera gone, some ex rag put in charge of an EDS full of players way below standard. The true talent are still eligible for the u18's. I'm talking Faupala, Glendon, Horsefield, Barker, Ambrose et al.

The EDS seem to be in an almost identical situation to the first team. In limbo, waiting for the next chapter to start.

Youth should be introduced, it was creeping in. Garcia and Celina were making inroads, Iheanacho was in. Since Viera has gone, it's stopped. Where's the link between EDS and Pellegrini?

I agree, Pellegrini has plenty to answer for. But I think there's plenty of reasoning to be heard about massive fuck ups all centred around getting Guardiola. Players have been signed for him, plans put on hold for him. For three years we have been working towards a manager we didn't have. Pellegrini has been a caretaker. He's done a decent job. No more.

He's being asked to manager players bought for another manager. He's being asked to manage players with no future. There are huge holes in the squad. Again players with little or nothing left in way of motivation. For all we know he may have wanted a totally different side. From what we know Demichellis was his man. He's washed now, but I doubt Mangala or Otamendi will ever have the impact he did in our 2014 title run in.

Pellegrini should have done better, I won't argue that. He should have been more progressive in terms of tactics, he should have been more progressive in terms of youth. All I'm saying, he's not alone.

Pep will have a very hard job, what do we do if he sneaks in 4th, win a league cup and makes the CL semis? Fire him?
I won't judge Pep till he's through our door.
 
I quoted the percentage because I feel it deserves to be acknowledged in light of the slagging off he's getting from Blues.

It isn't to suggest he's some tactical mastermind or anything of the sort so there's no need for your patronising tone especially when you consider that it is you that has missed the point of why it was quoted in the first place.

Oh and btw Pellegrini didn't take over the champions of England, he took over a squad that had mounted a pathetic attempt at its title defence.

I think everyone knows he's got a fairly good win percentage mate, but some context is needed, and I provided it with my example about Brian Clough.

I didn't miss the point whatsoever about win percentage. In fact, I addressed the point a few pages back and moved the conversation forwards. As I pointed out, Glenn Roeder would have an impressive win percentage with our squad, it doesn't make him a good manager.

Avram Grant had a very impressive win percentage with Chelsea, better than Pellegrini in fact (68%). Was he a very impressive manager, or did he take over a very impressive squad of players? I think West Ham fans could answer that for you.

And regarding the patronising tone, again, read the posts over the last few pages and I'll leave it to you to decide who turned the tone to patronising.
 
I think everyone knows he's got a fairly good win percentage mate, but some context is needed, and I provided it with my example about Brian Clough.

I didn't miss the point whatsoever about win percentage. In fact, I addressed the point a few pages back and moved the conversation forwards. As I pointed out, Glenn Roeder would have an impressive win percentage with our squad, it doesn't make him a good manager.

Avram Grant had a very impressive win percentage with Chelsea, better than Pellegrini in fact (68%). Was he a very impressive manager, or did he take over a very impressive squad of players? I think West Ham fans could answer that for you.

And regarding the patronising tone, again, read the posts over the last few pages and I'll leave it to you to decide who turned the tone to patronising.

I certainly didn't turn the tone to a patronising one. The point of my post was a plea to show more respect to the man.

That Glenn Roeder comment is right out of the 'arry Redknapp school of thought.

And why you're quoting Grant's Chelsea record I don't know, we are discussing Premier League records. And again I'm not suggesting Pellegrini is a very impressive manager.
 
I agree it has got bad from some,i just want it all to be over with now

I know. I really hope our season ends soon and doesn't end in Milan.

We really are an ungrateful bunch. We're two games away from the biggest game in club football and some can't wait for it to be over. Not to mention beating the candle lighters at Wembley are in a very good position to send the Rags into the Europa.

I'm not sure what some of think Guardiola will do, but some are setting the bar very high.

I've heard yourself Karen and by no means are you alone say you can't wait for him to sort our defence. You know his defence at Bayern is pretty gash don't you? In the CL anyway. He's got arguably the best keeper ever, two of the best full backs in the World, a host of expensive cexperienced centre halves. Yet the likes of Arsenal, Benfica, Juventus have all found it pretty easy to score. The clueless one himself has seen his side stick plenty past them. Porto put 4 past them last year the round before Barca put 5 past them. Madrid the year before put 5 or 6 past them.
His defence against anyone half decent in the CL has looked like a Pellegrini special...

I personally can't wait to see him at City. Can't wait to see what he'll do. He will get my full support. But, I'm not writing this season off. I'm going to enjoy the rest of our season and hope it ends in Milan.
 
On the last 2 seasons theme (this and 14/15 but excluding the 13/14 title) here is the cumulative table:

im5ro0.jpg


Interesting that all the top teams have been shit over a 2 year period. We've just been less shit than the rest.....
It may be interesting I agree but it is also fairly meaningless. If you include a narrative of the last two seasons it would tell of how we failed in the first 2 months of the new year to sustain a challenge to win the league Why? largely because of bad management and poor application by many players. We get absolutely jack shit for finishing top of that chart.
 
Here is the issue right now karen. Some didn't like Mancini and his football, i was one of them but never did it stoop to the level of bile and vitriol we are seeing on here regarding Pellegrini, never.

By all means not like the bloke and comment on his tactics or lack of them and state you cant wait for him to go, that's fair enough.

What isnt fair enough is the childish name calling and downright disrespectful and offensive way in which some feel the need to refer to our manager.

Nobody is trying to stifle feeling or debate, just the tone of the language being used.
It's getting worse on here. Some of the language about players is shocking. There's a couple of posters who just downright hate a couple of players - it's not constructive criticism, it's way, way beyond that. I try my hardest to steer clear of some player threads because of it, as I'll end up getting a ban for!
 
I know. I really hope our season ends soon and doesn't end in Milan.

We really are an ungrateful bunch. We're two games away from the biggest game in club football and some can't wait for it to be over. Not to mention beating the candle lighters at Wembley are in a very good position to send the Rags into the Europa.

I'm not sure what some of think Guardiola will do, but some are setting the bar very high.

I've heard yourself Karen and by no means are you alone say you can't wait for him to sort our defence. You know his defence at Bayern is pretty gash don't you? In the CL anyway. He's got arguably the best keeper ever, two of the best full backs in the World, a host of expensive cexperienced centre halves. Yet the likes of Arsenal, Benfica, Juventus have all found it pretty easy to score. The clueless one himself has seen his side stick plenty past them. Porto put 4 past them last year the round before Barca put 5 past them. Madrid the year before put 5 or 6 past them.
His defence against anyone half decent in the CL has looked like a Pellegrini special...

I personally can't wait to see him at City. Can't wait to see what he'll do. He will get my full support. But, I'm not writing this season off. I'm going to enjoy the rest of our season and hope it ends in Milan.

I want it over because mp frustrates me and the football has become stale not to mention he repeats the same mistakes over and over again.This place is toxic around all the mp threads and it won't end till he goes.I don't mind shipping goals as long as we win the game,do you have peps win % for his time at Bayern by any chance?
 
I know. I really hope our season ends soon and doesn't end in Milan.

We really are an ungrateful bunch. We're two games away from the biggest game in club football and some can't wait for it to be over. Not to mention beating the candle lighters at Wembley are in a very good position to send the Rags into the Europa.

I'm not sure what some of think Guardiola will do, but some are setting the bar very high.

I've heard yourself Karen and by no means are you alone say you can't wait for him to sort our defence. You know his defence at Bayern is pretty gash don't you? In the CL anyway. He's got arguably the best keeper ever, two of the best full backs in the World, a host of expensive cexperienced centre halves. Yet the likes of Arsenal, Benfica, Juventus have all found it pretty easy to score. The clueless one himself has seen his side stick plenty past them. Porto put 4 past them last year the round before Barca put 5 past them. Madrid the year before put 5 or 6 past them.
His defence against anyone half decent in the CL has looked like a Pellegrini special...

I personally can't wait to see him at City. Can't wait to see what he'll do. He will get my full support. But, I'm not writing this season off. I'm going to enjoy the rest of our season and hope it ends in Milan.
I hope it ends in Milan as well but I fear it will be over before then. Lets just get the points on Sat and then see what happens on Tues.
 
It's getting worse on here. Some of the language about players is shocking. There's a couple of posters who just downright hate a couple of players - it's not constructive criticism, it's way, way beyond that. I try my hardest to steer clear of some player threads because of it, as I'll end up getting a ban for!

If it steps over the line, report it and it can be dealt with.
 
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