Wesley Sneijder

[Neville Kneville]

Wrong. Yaya plays in the hole, but he is not the trequartista. That is indisputable. Silva, currently is.

Well, we're getting into semantics here, but 'trequartista' is 'three-quarters of a striker' - a withdrawn forward who typically plays cute passes. Silva is as much a trequartista as we'll have in the current system, but he plays off a wing.

Now - are you going to play Sneijder off a wing? Because we can't afford to put him in the Yaya position, it'll leave our midfield too light and too fractured.

-- Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:39 pm --

IMO we need someone who can create from wide and someone who can create from deep ("Regista").

We have 1 of the best Trequartista's in the world - why on earth would we bring in a more expensive less talented older trequartista???

Absolutely agree, the team's crying out for an Alonso/Schweinsteiger - someone who can control games and play long passes to the wings when we counter.

We can change formations. We have lots of games & need two teams.

 

[kennycar]

I'm sick of this Trequartista nonsense, he's a midfielder. Dictating what type of midfielder he is is like saying "don't ever leave this 6' x 6' box and play in this style only." Let's allow our players a bit of freedom of expression to play the way they need to depending on the match.

 

[Jumanji]

I'm sick of this Trequartista nonsense, he's a midfielder. Dictating what type of midfielder he is is like saying "don't ever leave this 6' x 6' box and play in this style only." Let's allow our players a bit of freedom of expression to play the way they need to depending on the match.

This post is nonsense, read it again and think about it.

Now - are you going to play Sneijder off a wing? Because we can't afford to put him in the Yaya position, it'll leave our midfield too light and too fractured.

English ideologies. Barcelona?

 

[ST Coleridge]

Now - are you going to play Sneijder off a wing? Because we can't afford to put him in the Yaya position, it'll leave our midfield too light and too fractured.

Bollocks. Yaya as a box to boxer would solve that problems. General consensus is that's what's planned, but no one knows.

Please, tell me all about these successful 442/4411 teams that you've been watching - because I can only think of United, and Rooney's a much busier boy (in terms of pressing and tackling) than Sneijder will ever be.

Is this what you want?:

___DJ___YY
AJ___WS___DS
_____CT...

AJ, Wesley and David would offer next to nothing defensively. It's stupid. We showed in the Liverpool home game just how easily a strong three man midfield can boss a 442 - this is why no-one plays 442 anymore.

-- Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:54 pm --

I'm sick of this Trequartista nonsense, he's a midfielder. Dictating what type of midfielder he is is like saying "don't ever leave this 6' x 6' box and play in this style only." Let's allow our players a bit of freedom of expression to play the way they need to depending on the match.

Yes, let's play Nigel just behind Tevez. We can have Silva sit in front of the defence and put Barry on the right wing (cutting in and unleashing left-foot thunderbolts).<br /><br />-- Wed Jun 22, 2011 4:56 pm --<br /><br />

I'm sick of this Trequartista nonsense, he's a midfielder. Dictating what type of midfielder he is is like saying "don't ever leave this 6' x 6' box and play in this style only." Let's allow our players a bit of freedom of expression to play the way they need to depending on the match.

This post is nonsense, read it again and think about it.

Now - are you going to play Sneijder off a wing? Because we can't afford to put him in the Yaya position, it'll leave our midfield too light and too fractured.

English ideologies. Barcelona?

Iniesta works very hard though (as do the whole team) - can you see Sneijder doing all that pressing and harrying?

 

[jft20b]

I'm sick of this Trequartista nonsense, he's a midfielder. Dictating what type of midfielder he is is like saying "don't ever leave this 6' x 6' box and play in this style only." Let's allow our players a bit of freedom of expression to play the way they need to depending on the match.

couldnt agree more...

since when has all this stuff started? (awaits the reply from a managerial genius) "its been around for ages DUUUUH everyone as always called it this... my dad is bigger than your dad"

the way i see it is the guy likes to float round in the hole... getting the ball and creating chances.. to me... that has always been called a attacking midfielder, second striker, or a less so recently No 10... but what his role is called isnt the idea of the thread so...

the only place his is really going to play is in behind the tevez or whoever players upfront unless he gets the silva role on the other side.. so silva--- yaya--- sneijder. as we have seen that Mancini likes to get the full backs forward to provide the width. extra pressure on yaya there though... as we all know sneijder isnt a fan of defending... this also leaves us with no pace really what so ever... so infact i have typed all this and come the conclusion that i have noooooo idea what so ever, of what mancinis plans are... providing he gets this man!

 

[Sabster]

I'm sick of this Trequartista nonsense, he's a midfielder. Dictating what type of midfielder he is is like saying "don't ever leave this 6' x 6' box and play in this style only." Let's allow our players a bit of freedom of expression to play the way they need to depending on the match.

No he is a Trequartista - he abides by no positions and goes where he wants (generally in between the lines)

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I've long been an advocate of actually inverting the midfield, with one holder and two link midfielders . Perfect for ya ya and Milner with our current personnel . Not for the hardest games but for most

 

[kennycar]

I really don't think positioning is that strict. Have a look at stats showing where players are for majority of the match and you'll se that a 4,3,3 is exactly the same as a 4,5,1. Where they end up receiving the most passes depends on the player, not the manager.

 

[ST Coleridge]

I've long been an advocate of actually inverting the midfield, with one holder and two link midfielders . Perfect for ya ya and Milner with our current personnel . Not for the hardest games but for most

That would be fine too. The main requirement of our three midfielders (and those of any other successful team, especially in England) is that there can be no defensive passengers - that goes for Silva, Sneijder, whoever.

As much as you might argue that Johnson-Sneijder-Silva (or Sanchez-Silva-Mata, or whatever) would be great, it's just never going to happen.

 

[kennycar]

I'll give you the DeJong one though, I know he's not an Attacking Midfielder, but it doesn't mean he can't run into space if it opens up.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Silva is a good enough player to do it from wide, roaming and swapping as he does. Schneider I'm not sure about . He looks more likely to be one of the two more advanced midfielders.

One thing is for sure, there are going to be a lot of rotation options next year. More than this year by the sound of our targets.

Great news for us if we can keep them happy. But it's easier to keep squad players like vieira and Zabaleta happy than the likes of Johnson and Milner who want to play every week.

 

[ST Coleridge]

I really don't think positioning is that strict. Have a look at stats showing where players are for majority of the match and you'll se that a 4,3,3 is exactly the same as a 4,5,1. Where they end up receiving the most passes depends on the player, not the manager.

Yeah, I get what you mean. I'm just talking about the 'hole' position, and the type of player that we can put in there. He's got to be able to press his opposite number in midfield, fall back when we lose possession etc. For me, Sneijder's not up to the job.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Silva is a good enough player to do it from wide, roaming and swapping as he does. Schneider I'm not sure about . He looks more likely to be one of the two more advanced midfielders.

One thing is for sure, there are going to be a lot of rotation options next year. More than this year by the sound of our targets.

Great news for us if we can keep them happy. But it's easier to keep squad players like vieira and Zabaleta happy than the likes of Johnson and Milner who want to play every week.

If all the players are good enough they can all play regularly though. Where it breaks down is when the replacement players are so far inferior to the 1st 11 that they can only play one game in 4 or 5 because they weaken the team. If we're going for every competition, all the players, if good enough, should get plenty of games. If they don't step upto the mark when they get the chance & end up playing very few games, it's their own fault.

 

[Rammyblues]

I might be missing something here but this
Trequartista just means attacking midfield, therefore the way we played last season we played

............................striker

............AM..............AM............AM

..................DM.................DM

or slight variations of that, so why can't we have Sneijder and Sanchez and Silva playing behind Tevez changing at will,with Yaya and NDJ screening the defence when we want.

Or am I being thick.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I might be missing something here but this
Trequartista just means attacking midfield, therefore the way we played last season we played

............................striker

............AM..............AM............AM

..................DM.................DM

or slight variations of that, so why can't we have Sneijder and Sanchez and Silva playing behind Tevez changing at will,with Yaya and NDJ screening the defence when we want.

Or am I being thick.

No, we could do that. We don't have to be rigid. Imo that's exactly what Mancini is trying to build. Same goes for Balotelli & AJ, even Tevez may play deeper sometimes behind Dzeko.

 

[Mad 4 It]

I might be missing something here but this
Trequartista just means attacking midfield, therefore the way we played last season we played

............................striker

............AM..............AM............AM

..................DM.................DM

or slight variations of that, so why can't we have Sneijder and Sanchez and Silva playing behind Tevez changing at will,with Yaya and NDJ screening the defence when we want.

Or am I being thick.

No, we could do that. We don't have to be rigid. Imo that's exactly what Mancini is trying to build. Same goes for Balotelli & AJ, even Tevez may play deeper sometimes behind Dzeko.

Javi Martinez could play that role in the hole with the added bonus that he can actaully defend and get stuck in if needed. He could also play further back in a 433. Very useful player to have, young and likely to be world class. He basically ran the midfield against England at the under 21s comp.

 

[The Game 77]

Rather have Pastore he is younger and i would think more hungry where Sneijder might only want one last pay day and i think a deal for Pastore would be cheaper as he wouldn't command a 200k a week pay deal

 

[Sabster]

I might be missing something here but this
Trequartista just means attacking midfield, therefore the way we played last season we played

............................striker

............AM..............AM............AM

..................DM.................DM

or slight variations of that, so why can't we have Sneijder and Sanchez and Silva playing behind Tevez changing at will,with Yaya and NDJ screening the defence when we want.

Or am I being thick.

It would work, but we would end up playing like Spain at the world cup - loads and loads and loads of tippy tappy possesion but no cutting edge.

Looking at Barca in their front 6, they seem to have

2 out and out goal poachers (Villa, Pedro) - We have any two from Balo, Tevez, Dzeko

1 Player who will run and commit men (Messi) - Hopefully this will be Sanchez but maybe Johnson

1 Trequartista (Iniesta) - Silva

2 "Regista"s who "hold" and are brilliant at keeping the ball (Xavi and Busquets, with Xavi making the odd dart forward) - Yaya can play one, but whether De Jong can play the busquets role is yet to be seen.

 

[Castiel]

I'm enjoying watching this discussion but what makes you think Mancini is going to make a radical change in his football philosophy? Italian football (which resembles what he's brought to City) is the antithesis of Spanish football (which Barcelona epitomise). It looks like a lot of the contribution is looking for ways to be more like Barcelona which is the other side of the spectrum to where you are at the moment (not to say thats bad, Mourinho's philosophy too is at the other side of the spectrum).

 

[okstate99]

I'm enjoying watching this discussion but what makes you think Mancini is going to make a radical change in his football philosophy? Italian football (which resembles what he's brought to City) is the antithesis of Spanish football (which Barcelona epitomise). It looks like a lot of the contribution is looking for ways to be more like Barcelona which is the other side of the spectrum to where you are at the moment (not to say thats bad, Mourinho's philosophy too is at the other side of the spectrum).

So do you think Chelsea is after both Snejider and Modric?