West Ham interested in Iheanacho

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Two seasons ago everyone here agree that Iheanacho was one of the best young prospects in the world. This year, because Pep doesn't rate him (for different reasons), most on here seems to think he is suddenly sh*t.
 
hgblue said:
So who should make this decision?
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The point is that top managers get it wrong. KDB, Lukaku, Kane, Pogba and so on are examples of this. Kelechi is a young player with a long career ahead of him. Anything can happen in the future but deeming one managers opinion on the player is very naiive.

His record at international level shows that he will score goals where ever he is and that he is not just limited to a poacher as he also plays #10 for the national team at times.

He may not fit with pep but that doesn't mean he can't be world class.
 
rapidCT said:
Two seasons ago everyone here agree that Iheanacho was one of the best young prospects in the world. This year, because Pep doesn't rate him (for different reasons), most on here seems to think he is suddenly sh*t.
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Exactly, toor many people here write off the kid because pep doesn't want to use him. Pep has made so many mistakes this season so you can't take his judgement as gospel.
 
Twingatz said:
Exactly, toor many people here write off the kid because pep doesn't want to use him. Pep has made so many mistakes this season so you can't take his judgement as gospel.
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That's a very dangerous thing to say it on bluemoon. Be careful now. :))
 
Twingatz said:
Exactly, toor many people here write off the kid because pep doesn't want to use him. Pep has made so many mistakes this season so you can't take his judgement as gospel.
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Still waiting to hear how Pep was "wrong" about Eto'o, Ibra, and Yaya.

Barca lost out on a lot of silverware because of his decision to transfer out those players, did they?
 
SebastianBlue said:
Still waiting to hear how Pep was "wrong" about Eto'o, Ibra, and Yaya.

Barca lost out on a lot of silverware because of his decision to transfer out those players, did they?
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All three transfers were totally justified. Eto'o refused to follow Pep's instructions and thought he knows the game better, Ibra was simply very poor, Yaya lost his place to better players.
Questioning our coaching staff's ability to judge players' potential is absurd in case one is not a pro coach/scout himself.
 
Andrew___K said:
All three transfers were totally justified. Eto'o refused to follow Pep's instructions and thought he knows the game better, Ibra was simply very poor, Yaya lost his place to better players.
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Absolutely correct. Just because they were great players (Yaya has been immense for us, of course) after they left Barca does not mean Pep was wrong about sending them out then.

He has made mistakes, to be sure, but those are not examples of them.
 
Andrew___K said:
Questioning our coaching staff's ability to judge players' potential is absurd in case one is not a pro coach/scout himself.
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Better close this place down if we can't debate a player's ability/potential or question the decisions of the manager/coaching staff. What an absurd comment to post on a fans' forum.

FWIW I agree with many of NevKnev's comments re Kelechi. I accept that he doesn't quite fit into Pep's system right now but he is a clinical finisher who will score goals at the top level with the right service. A buy-back clause should be a must - who knows how long Pep will be here anyway, football management is so precarious and unpredictable nowadays.
 
Twingatz said:
The point is that top managers get it wrong. KDB, Lukaku, Kane, Pogba and so on are examples of this. Kelechi is a young player with a long career ahead of him. Anything can happen in the future but deeming one managers opinion on the player is very naiive.

His record at international level shows that he will score goals where ever he is and that he is not just limited to a poacher as he also plays #10 for the national team at times.

He may not fit with pep but that doesn't mean he can't be world class.
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Wasn't Maureen the manager that got it wrong for three of those four players?
 
SebastianBlue said:
Absolutely correct. Just because they were great players (Yaya has been immense for us, of course) after they left Barca does not mean Pep was wrong about sending them out then.

He has made mistakes, to be sure, but those are not examples of them.
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I would say Pep's most frequent mistake is putting too much trust in wrong players and persisting with it for too long.

He gave too much time to Hleb, Chygrynsky, Caceres, waited for too long with Ibra, though it was obvious long before the Inter clash that the team is better off without the Swede. Vainly trusted in Fabregas. Spent too much time on Gotze. Now showed the same attitude with Bravo.
But such approach is understandable - he shows that he's ready to defend every squad member and give them chances again and again no matter what.

But I can't remember Pep offloading a player erroneously. It he does it, it means the player was thoroughly studied and is not good enough to play in the system. End of story. You won't regret about players sold, I'm 99% sure.
 
Andrew___K said:
I would say Pep's most frequent mistake is putting too much trust in wrong players and persisting with it for too long.

He gave too much time to Hleb, Chygrynsky, Caceres, waited for too long with Ibra, though it was obvious long before the Inter clash that the team is better off without the Swede. Vainly trusted in Fabregas. Spent too much time on Gotze. Now showed the same attitude with Bravo.
But such approach is understandable - he shows that he's ready to defend every squad member and give them chances again and again no matter what.

But I can't remember Pep offloading a player erroneously. It he does it, it means the player was thoroughly studied and is not good enough to play in the system. End of story. You won't regret about players sold, I'm 99% sure.
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Bottom line is that one doesn't need to fit into his system to be good at the top level or World Class.

Pep has objectively been a failure this season and that's down on him. Also all the news of a buyback inserted wouldn't be there if he didn't believe the player would eventually reach the level.

My problem is too many on here think that because Kelechi is stuggling in pep''s system now that he will never be good enough. The kid is 20 for Christ's sake.
 
There are a lot of posters that do this. Can we please stop using the phrase "not good enough" to play Pep's system? I don't know about anyone else but it grates with me whenever I read it.

First of all it's demeaning to Pep as a coach. He talks about adapting to the quality of the players all the time. To suggest a player is "not good enough" for Pep's system also suggests he has trouble catering to the quality of the players at his disposal.

Second it's demeaning to the players. All of them are good enough (and have worked bloody hard to be so) when they get to this level. Kelechi may not be deemed suitable at the moment for whatever reason but that doesn't mean he won't be in the future.

If he's not deemed suitable as time goes on, doesn't mean he won't find a style that suits him and will help him go on to become world class. The potential is there. This has been the case with a number of players Pep has sold at his previous clubs. That's OK too. It's part of what makes football so great.

There's something for everyone. It's not just one way or bust.
 
mosssideblue said:
Are you sure?
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Well, I can t remember anyone saying he is not good enough for us under Pelegrino. Although he was used much more than last season we all wanted him to play more, even in front of Bony who was a proven PL scorer. So I understand that you don't rate him?
 
rapidCT said:
Well, I can t remember anyone saying he is not good enough for us under Pelegrino. Although he was used much more than last season we all wanted him to play more, even in front of Bony who was a proven PL scorer. So I understand that you don't rate him?
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I dont rate him for us - subtle difference
 
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