What do you want to see from our captain?

moomba said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
The players around Dunne aways made him look better than he was, particularly Distin and Richards last season.
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I'd say it was the other way around just as much.
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Having thought about I now believe the truth is somewhere in between. Someone posted on here that you needed two different players at centre back - one who was more mobile and one who maybe wasn't but would be the last line of defence, covering for the more mobile one. Dunne & Distin was a good combination because of that. Dunne & Richards worked well for some of last season in the same way. Terry & Carvalho are a good example - Carvalho seems to cover a lot of ground whereas Terry relies more on positioning. Same for Ferdinand & Vidic.

Richards hasn't been up to scratch this season, Ben Haim has generally been woeful and Dunne has suffered because of it. I don't think Dunne is good enough for where we want to be (whereas I know you do) but he needs a better player alongside him.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
(whereas I know you do)
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I wouldn't say that exactly, just that we have other problem positions to sort before looking at Dunne (one of them is his centra half partner). And to be honest, if his form over the second half mirrors his form in the first I expect to him to be elsewhere next season (maybe will be the case even if he does lift).
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
moomba said:
I'd say it was the other way around just as much.
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Having thought about I now believe the truth is somewhere in between. Someone posted on here that you needed two different players at centre back - one who was more mobile and one who maybe wasn't but would be the last line of defence, covering for the more mobile one. Dunne & Distin was a good combination because of that. Dunne & Richards worked well for some of last season in the same way. Terry & Carvalho are a good example - Carvalho seems to cover a lot of ground whereas Terry relies more on positioning. Same for Ferdinand & Vidic.

Richards hasn't been up to scratch this season, Ben Haim has generally been woeful and Dunne has suffered because of it. I don't think Dunne is good enough for where we want to be (whereas I know you do) but he needs a better player alongside him.
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There seem to be no lengths to this one: if I understand, what some folks don't want are two really mobile CBs, just one really mobile one, and one who is "not so much"? That's a recipe for success? This is either / or? It's one thing to recognize that combination as a matter of fact, it's absolutely senseless to argue there is some principle involved in this.

Speed, armour, firepower. You want all three, all the time. If you can't get them, don't try and turn an absence into a positive!
 
Brucie Bonus said:
There seem to be no lengths to this one: if I understand, what some folks don't want are two really mobile CBs, just one really mobile one, and one who is "not so much"? That's a recipe for success? This is either / or? It's one thing to recognize that combination as a matter of fact, it's absolutely senseless to argue there is some principle involved in this.

Speed, armour, firepower. You want all three, all the time. If you can't get them, don't try and turn an absence into a positive!
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You need a lot more than physical attributes to be a good defender. Positioning and nous is just as important, and a combination of the two (best displayed by the Dunne/Distin partnership) can be very effective.
 
moomba said:
Brucie Bonus said:
There seem to be no lengths to this one: if I understand, what some folks don't want are two really mobile CBs, just one really mobile one, and one who is "not so much"? That's a recipe for success? This is either / or? It's one thing to recognize that combination as a matter of fact, it's absolutely senseless to argue there is some principle involved in this.

Speed, armour, firepower. You want all three, all the time. If you can't get them, don't try and turn an absence into a positive!
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You need a lot more than physical attributes to be a good defender. Positioning and nous is just as important, and a combination of the two (best displayed by the Dunne/Distin partnership) can be very effective.
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Agreed, and which of our defenders possess either?
 
Brucie Bonus said:
Agreed, and which of our defenders possess either?
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Dunne and Richards possess speed and power (although Micah does appear to have lost a yard or two). Dunne possesses positional and tactical awareness. Nedum is probably the other one that has all the "tools" you need.
 
Leadership on and off the pitch..............

Sort out the defensive problems on the pitch, and...

The supposed player factions need to be united into a team, coz we know we can play if we play as a team.
 
For him to have Ireland 7 on his back as reward & recognition for his fine form this season.
 
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