What has the UK become?

[grunge]

I may be wrong but I think it's the not seeking asylum in France (safe country and all that) that is the point in question here

Its an urban myth that you have to apply for Asylum in the 1st safe country.

Should refugees claim asylum in the first safe country they reach? - Free Movement

Over and over again we hear that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country the reach. There are variations on the theme. Genuine refugees claim

freemovement.org.uk

the vast majority of the people trying to get here already have family links here too and get granted asylum at the end of the day.

 

[Chris in London]

It's Ireland and the EU that are complaining about what we are doing, it's up to them to solve it.

No it isn't.

We were party to an agreement that ensured this wasn't a problem. We withdrew from that agreement. How is that anyone else's fault?

You keep blaming other people for the problems caused by Brexit. Do you not understand that there's no obligation on anyone else to sort out a mess caused by the UK?

I'm tempted to say "you won, get over it."

 

[Kinkybyname]

There's no obligation to do so. You can transit through country A and claim asylum in country B perfectly legitimately under the Vienna convention.

Likewise, there is no obligation on anyone to claim asylum in the UK if their intention is to claim asylum in Ireland. The problem seems to be that some of those the Irish want to send back have already claimed asylum in the UK. If they have, the Irish are entirely justified in sending them back. If not, the position is exactly the same as with France/UK crossings.

how can they send them back to the UK if it is considered an "unsafe" country because of the threat of deportation to Rwanda?

 

[mexico1970]

No it isn't.

We were party to an agreement that ensured this wasn't a problem. We withdrew from that agreement. How is that anyone else's fault?

You keep blaming other people for the problems caused by Brexit. Do you not understand that there's no obligation on anyone else to sort out a mess caused by the UK?

I'm tempted to say "you won, get over it."

Things changed when we did Brexit, it doesn't mean everything carries on as normal. Whichever way this falls the EU are trying to formulate a plan to ship out Asylum seekers to other countries the same as we are doing.

Labour will keep the status quo too when they get in, we need a rethink on what the difference is between an asylum seeker or an economic migrant and until that happens nothing is going to get done.

We should start by aligning out %'s of successful applications with Ireland and France.

 

[Kinkybyname]

Its an urban myth that you have to apply for Asylum in the 1st safe country.

Should refugees claim asylum in the first safe country they reach? - Free Movement

Over and over again we hear that refugees should claim asylum in the first safe country the reach. There are variations on the theme. Genuine refugees claim

freemovement.org.uk

the vast majority of the people trying to get here already have family links here too and get granted asylum at the end of the day.

I didn't say that wasn't the case... I was merely pointing out that that was the question being asked

 

[Chris in London]

how can they send them back to the UK if it is considered an "unsafe" country because of the threat of deportation to Rwanda?

If you've already claimed asylum in an unsafe country I don't think the Vienna convention permits a fresh claim in a second country.

I may be wrong, but the crucial difference to my mind is whether anyone transiting to Ireland from the UK has already claimed asylum here.

 

[Kinkybyname]

If you've already claimed asylum in an unsafe country I don't think the Vienna convention permits a fresh claim in a second country.

I may be wrong, but the crucial difference to my mind is whether anyone transiting to Ireland from the UK has already claimed asylum here.

Ireland kicking off over this, I wonder why... I strongly suspect the numbers are minuscule

 

[Chris in London]

Things changed when we did Brexit, it doesn't mean everything carries on as normal. Whichever way this falls the EU are trying to formulate a plan to ship out Asylum seekers to other countries the same as we are doing.

Labour will keep the status quo too when they get in, we need a rethink on what the difference is between an asylum seeker or an economic migrant and until that happens nothing is going to get done.

We should start by aligning out %'s of successful applications with Ireland and France.

Of course things don't carry on as usual, that's the whole point. Everything changes as a result of Brexit, which was a voluntary decision made by the UK. That's why you are completely wrong to blame the French for this mess, however personally satisfying you might find it to do so.

There is however a very simple solution which is to return to the Dublin agreement.

If they'll have us.

See if you can guess why the current government doesn't want to do that.

The difference between what is an asylum seeker and what is an economic migrant is very simple, by the way. One is an economic migrant, the other is an asylum seeker. The only problem with working out which is which is if you don't employ enough properly qualified staff to carry out that assessment.

 

[grunge]

I didn't say that wasn't the case... I was merely pointing out that that was the question being asked

Thats cool. just seemed like a good post to respond to with think link.

 

[mexico1970]

I didn't say that wasn't the case... I was merely pointing out that that was the question being asked

Of course things don't carry on as usual, that's the whole point. Everything changes as a result of Brexit, which was a voluntary decision made by the UK. That's why you are completely wrong to blame the French for this mess, however personally satisfying you might find it to do so.

There is however a very simple solution which is to return to the Dublin agreement.

If they'll have us.

See if you can guess why the current government doesn't want to do that.

The difference between what is an asylum seeker and what is an economic migrant is very simple, by the way. One is an economic migrant, the other is an asylum seeker. The only problem with working out which is which is if you don't employ enough properly qualified staff to carry out that assessment.

For what it's worth I would vote to return to the EU, I never voted to leave it. As I have stated the asylum process needs a huge overhaul and for a grown up conversation needs to happen to make sure there is a difference between asylum and economic.

Without suggesting we need more people to wipe backsides and serve our coffee.