Overwhelming majority of police do not want to be armed.
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What has the UK become?
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The risk of travelling across the channel in a dinghy is the deterrent. Some choose to take that risk but many don't so there is already a deterrent
It's not an effective deterrent if (a) it doesn't deter a significant % of people and (b) it means legitimate asylum seekers have to risk their lives alongside the people we're trying to deter.
Still see no one actually wanting to resolve the issue, just tell them not to get in boats. That doesn’t seem to be working.
If you spend more than a second thinking about it, what @LangleyBlue1970 and @blueinsa are saying is simply that they don't believe in asylum. They're advocating for a system where the only way to claim asylum is being from a bordering country, so the only countries we could ever accept asylum seekers from is France, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium and Norway. Which of course are 5 countries which conveniently haven't seen war for 80 years, are all well developed first world countries that won't be providing any refugees any time soon.
It's their right I suppose, but I wish they'd just front up and say they don't believe in asylum rather than dance around it.
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Yeah, maybe. They might though, just be NIMBYies.If you spend a second thinking about it, what @LangleyBlue1970 and @blueinsa are saying is simply that they don't believe in asylum.
Which is their right I suppose, but I wish they'd just front up and say they don't believe in asylum rather than dance around it.
LangleyBlue1970
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That’s a good one.Yeah, maybe. They might though, just be NIMBYies.
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So is it that you don’t believe in the concept of claiming asylum?That’s a good one.
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If someone is genuinely fleeing a war torn situation in their country and have to flee, of course I believe in welcoming them here, although I don’t see why they can’t stay in any of the other countries they cross to get to Calais.So is it that you don’t believe in the concept of claiming asylum?
But let’s be honest, it’s not always boat loads of people fleeing war torn countries now is it.
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70% are granted asylum, so it can’t be as clear cut as you may think?If someone is genuinely fleeing a war torn situation in their country and have to flee, of course I believe in welcoming them here, although I don’t see why they can’t stay in any of the other countries they cross to get to Calais.
But let’s be honest, it’s not always boat loads of people fleeing war torn countries now is it.
The number that choose to stay in France vastly outnumber the ones that try to get here.
If you spend more than a second thinking about it, what @LangleyBlue1970 and @blueinsa are saying is simply that they don't believe in asylum. They're advocating for a system where the only way to claim asylum is being from a bordering country, so the only countries we could ever accept asylum seekers from is France, Ireland, Netherlands, Belgium and Norway. Which of course are 5 countries which conveniently haven't seen war for 80 years, are all well developed first world countries that won't be providing any refugees any time soon.
It's their right I suppose, but I wish they'd just front up and say they don't believe in asylum rather than dance around it.
Mind reader as well as general know it all?
Impressive even for you.
I’m on record as saying we should pay for and build, with the permission of the French of course a processing centre in France where these asylum seekers could be processed in a safe manner. Those granted asylum could be transported safely into the UK.
I’m just not in favour of people paying criminal gangs to risk their lives and die.
Go on, twist that into something else you actually think I believe to suit.
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Overwhelming majority of police do not want to be armed.
Yes but is that because they don't want to be armed, or is it due to some of the insane levels of scrutiny they would then be under?
The bloke with the samurai sword today should have had a clip emptied into him straight away no questions asked.