What has the UK become?

[inbetween]

So are you for or against Irelands forthcoming emergency legislation to return asylum seekers because they don’t want them?

Of course they're going to support Ireland to enact legislation to rid itself of asylum seekers, because they can't help to point out that this was a benefit of being in the EU. Obviously it's extremely hypocritical given the mantra that we (and everybody else?) should apparently go out of our way to take every single asylum seeker on earth.

I still don't really understand why some seem to hold the EU in such a high regard on this problem. The EU has done nothing about the boat arrivals that continue to come into Greece and Italy. The simple fact is like us the EU, Greece and Italy won't do anything because they want to reduce numbers and not increase them.

Italy for example does not have an asylum processing border post in a 3rd country such as Algeria, Tunisia or Libya so why should we have one in a 3rd country such as France? Like us they're never going to have such a post because they don't want to encourage more migration.

Unfortunately it just isn't possible to stop people from climbing into a boat and travelling here. It isn't even a random choice because they're paying gangs thousands to do it. The only way to stop it is for a deterrent to exist which defeats any reason to consider coming in the first place but that's another argument itself.

 

[shackattack]

 

[Brewster's millions]

A very good argument for arming the police.

 

[Blu3m00n91]

A very good argument for arming the police.

100%. He should have been taken out immediately.

 

[BobKowalski]

Of course they're going to support Ireland to enact legislation to rid itself of asylum seekers, because they can't help to point out that this was a benefit of being in the EU. Obviously it's extremely hypocritical given the mantra that we (and everybody else?) should apparently go out of our way to take every single asylum seeker on earth.

I still don't really understand why some seem to hold the EU in such a high regard on this problem. The EU has done nothing about the boat arrivals that continue to come into Greece and Italy. The simple fact is like us the EU, Greece and Italy won't do anything because they want to reduce numbers and not increase them.

Italy for example does not have an asylum processing border post in a 3rd country such as Algeria, Tunisia or Libya so why should we have one in a 3rd country such as France? Like us they're never going to have such a post because they don't want to encourage more migration.

Unfortunately it just isn't possible to stop people from climbing into a boat and travelling here. It isn't even a random choice because they're paying gangs thousands to do it. The only way to stop it is for a deterrent to exist which defeats any reason to consider coming in the first place but that's another argument itself.

The people in boats risk death to themselves and their families - what deterrent do you suggest that is greater than the risk of death? Certain death?

 

[BobKowalski]

A very good argument for arming the police.

It isn’t. Giving every copper in the UK a gun based on one incident is dumb. Our current policy based on ‘policing by consent’ works perfectly fine. Police can be armed when the situation warrants, which is rare, and fatalities by the police even rarer.

 

[inbetween]

The people in boats risk death to themselves and their families - what deterrent do you suggest that is greater than the risk of death? Certain death?

There is no need to add the emotive aspect to this. That indeed already acts as a deterrent but how many more thousands will come if we remove that deterrent? Either way no other country in Europe has done it so why should we?

If we take what's happened in Europe over the last 10 years as an example then it could mean hundreds of thousands of people coming and we do not have the resources to cope with those numbers.

Legal migration is already adding a city the size of Bristol to our numbers every single year. Is it physically possible to build houses, schools, hospitals and infrastructure equivalent to the size of Bristol in one year? What about the additional hundreds of thousands?

Btw, i'm not advocating for zero migration, I'm advocating for control.

 

[blueinsa]

The people in boats risk death to themselves and their families - what deterrent do you suggest that is greater than the risk of death? Certain death?

The ferry crossing can be rough at times from Cairnryan Bob but come on…

Still, worth it when they get to Ireland.

Shame the Irish don’t want them either…

 

[mexico1970]

A very good argument for arming the police.

Or at the very least swords.

 

[BobKowalski]

There is no need to add the emotive aspect to this. That indeed already acts as a deterrent but how many more thousands will come if we remove that deterrent? Either way no other country in Europe has done it so why should we?

If we take what's happened in Europe over the last 10 years as an example then it could mean hundreds of thousands of people coming and we do not have the resources to cope with those numbers.

Legal migration is already adding a city the size of Bristol to our numbers every single year. Is it physically possible to build houses, schools, hospitals and infrastructure equivalent to the size of Bristol in one year? What about the additional hundreds of thousands?

Btw, i'm not advocating for zero migration, I'm advocating for control.

I asked a question. They already risk death. What is your deterrent?

Migration via boat crossing annually is around 300k into the EU - that is 29 countries. Chances of 300k ending up here are remote.

In other news, Italy, in common with other EU countries has steadily been increasing its non-EU immigration quota because, like us, it needs the labour. Kind of feels counter-intuitive.