What has the UK become?

Australia which has a pretty similar approach to guns as us here, have all police armed with side arms and I don't know any Aussies who think they shouldn't be. The other day when the bloke ran around stabbing people in Sydney, one police woman was required to take him out and that was with a sidearm - she sustained no injuries.
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Yes but is that because they don't want to be armed, or is it due to some of the insane levels of scrutiny they would then be under?

The bloke with the samurai sword today should have had a clip emptied into him straight away no questions asked.
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Because if they have to shoot and kill they immediately become murder suspects, and the IOPC will be looking to charge them with it
 
domalino said:
It's not an effective deterrent if (a) it doesn't deter a significant % of people and (b) it means legitimate asylum seekers have to risk their lives alongside the people we're trying to deter.
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A legitimate asylum seeker is somebody who is in the UK and has claimed asylum so legally speaking from the UK pov there cannot be a legitimate asylum seeker who is outside of the UK. A border post in France would therefore actually require us to effectively annex a portion of France (like an embassy) unless we're going to accept applications from anyone anywhere.

I am a UK citizen and I am not a legitimate citizen of the USA for example. I have no claim to become a US citizen unless I go through the process of becoming one. If I decided to take a risk to cross the Atlantic in a boat to enter the US then would you say that the US should build a border post in the UK to stop it and help me? It's a stupid suggestion.

France itself actually does not recognise those people as legitimate asylum seekers either even though they're physically in France. This because they have not claimed asylum in France.

Technically they're actually illegal immigrants until an asylum claim is made. Most countries in Europe however don't enforce their own laws or borders to stop this movement. Instead they allow the problem to get passed on to the end country which in some cases ends up being the UK.
 
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mexico1970 said:
The blame is on the parent who decided to put the child in the boat, escaping war torn France wasn't/ isn't a good enough reason.
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To them it is. And that is the point. They believe they have good reason and will risk death for themselves and their family. You may not understand it, I may not understand it, but then we are not in their position are we?

So, if they are willing to risk their lives, what possible deterrent are we going to put into place that will work?

As I said it’s a simple enough question.
 
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