What has the UK become?

[Mr Kobayashi]

That doesn’t matter on here.

They play the man, not the ball.

Is this something you and dazdon (@mexico1970) don't do out of principle?

 

[mancityvstoke]

Enjoy your victory shampagne.

I'm on a roll, sailor

 

[Vic]

I find the argument about immigrants from over a hundred years ago to be a little disingenuous to be honest. There was no welfare state, no NHS, nothing.
Of course we need immigrants, we always have, but let's not pretend the world now is the same place it was then.

I'm not sure what point you're making.

People have been coming here as refugees or as economic migrants long before there was a welfare state or the NHS. They come to work.

 

[mackenzie]

I'm not sure what point you're making.

People have been coming here as refugees or as economic migrants long before there was a welfare state or the NHS. They come to work.

I know they did. My own ancestors in the 1880s included. My point was that they came here knowing that they had to work and that they had to make their own way. Bringing existing skills that were of benefit to the community.
There were no alternatives about what happened when they got here.

I was speaking to a new colleague a few months ago, and we were discussing how difficult it is to get a GP appointment. He then told me "that's why my parents came here...the NHS"

I'm not critisising that as such, just pointing out that the reasons immigrants come to the UK now are going to be different to why people came here before such things were offered.

 

[mexico1970]

I know they did. My own ancestors in the 1880s included. My point was that they came here knowing that they had to work and that they had to make their own way. Bringing existing skills that were of benefit to the community.
There were no alternatives about what happened when they got here.

I was speaking to a new colleague a few months ago, and we were discussing how difficult it is to get a GP appointment. He then told me "that's why my parents came here...the NHS"

I'm not critisising that as such, just pointing out that the reasons immigrants come to the UK now are going to be different to why people came here before such things were offered.

The argument will be that we need to build a bigger and better infrastructure which in turn would entice more people to come and then we would have to build an even bigger infrastructure until the house of cards just collapse.

Levels of immigration are astronomical now and they have to be managed, you're not going to get any sense from people who want to see the fascist capitalist state fail because they have got a hobby that demands it.

 

[McfcBibby]

A country where I’ve never earnt so much yet been so poor

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

The argument will be that we need to build a bigger and better infrastructure which in turn would entice more people to come and then we would have to build an even bigger infrastructure until the house of cards just collapse.

Levels of immigration are astronomical now and they have to be managed, you're not going to get any sense from people who want to see the fascist capitalist state fail because they have got a hobby that demands it.

Parkmate!

 

[Mon Autre]

I know they did. My own ancestors in the 1880s included. My point was that they came here knowing that they had to work and that they had to make their own way. Bringing existing skills that were of benefit to the community.
There were no alternatives about what happened when they got here.

I was speaking to a new colleague a few months ago, and we were discussing how difficult it is to get a GP appointment. He then told me "that's why my parents came here...the NHS"

I'm not critisising that as such, just pointing out that the reasons immigrants come to the UK now are going to be different to why people came here before such things were offered.

There's also a lot of skilled refugees who come here who are desperate to work, but our system is designed to make it impossible for them to do so. We have people sat around waiting and ready to make a contribution to society and pay their way. But we prefer to make life so unbearable for them whilst their cases are being assessed in the hope they leave of their own volition.

 

[mackenzie]

There's also a lot of skilled refugees who come here who are desperate to work, but our system is designed to make it impossible for them to do so. We have people sat around waiting and ready to make a contribution to society and pay their way. But we prefer to make life so unbearable for them whilst their cases are being assessed in the hope they leave of their own volition.

And we also have plenty that don't.
I'm well aware that the whole process is a mess, for the reason you state, but I think we need to be honest with the situation.

 

[mexico1970]

And we also have plenty that don't.
I'm well aware that the whole process is a mess, for the reason you state, but I think we need to be honest with the situation.

Just allow them in to work when they want, do away with passports and all that silliness and enter the brave new world.

If you look at the very vocal minority of the people who want this they are not traditional left wingers they are disenfranchised 6th form activists who actually like nibbling away at the fringes being controversial and edgy.

Other people went to work and grew the fuck up.