Which Bands Got Worse After Replacing An Original Member

[DelToro]

Not convinced that Porcupine Tree are the band they were without Colin Edwin.

 

[maxwellblue]

Sabbath when they replaced Ozzy with RJD

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

The Who

My fave band ever........but Keith Moon was not replacable.

Went from one of the best live performance bands to, well, a steady live band.

A shame, but should have called it a day when Moon died.

Since Entwhistle died too, a bit embarrassing, a pale shadow of a once brilliant rock band.

Like a lot of the great bands from long ago their aged longevity is diminshing their past brilliance.

just my opinion though, if you enjoy guys in their 70s/80s trying to rock, good for you.

I know what you mean - and I am way too young by decades and decades to have ever seen Keith Moon live.

BUT -

I saw The Who in 2017 with Zak Starkey on drums and it is right up there as one of the best gigs of my life - fucking sensational.

I've always liked Starkey's drums though. IMO Oasis' best period was when he played drums in the later years.

 

[bavarian blue]

I much prefer Gabriel Genesis, and solo......however my fav album of theirs is 'A Trick of The Tail' ?? ....nosedived after that for me.

Thought Wind and Wuthering was decent.

 

[TueartsOHK]

I much prefer Gabriel Genesis, and solo......however my fav album of theirs is 'A Trick of The Tail' ?? ....nosedived after that for me.

I think the first 3 albums without PG : A trick of the Tail, Wind And Wuthering and And Then there were three all had some good tracks and retained some of the prog sound. Duke also had some decent tracks but for me was the start of the end - songs like Misunderstanding I just couldn’t listen to.

 

[bavarian blue]

I think the first 3 albums without PG : A trick of the Tail, Wind And Wuthering and And Then there were three all had some good tracks and retained some of the prog sound. Duke also had some decent tracks but for me was the start of the end - songs like Misunderstanding I just couldn’t listen to.

I agree, but strangely I enjoyed Abacab.

 

[Stelea]

S Club 6

 

[levets]

I agree, but strangely I enjoyed Abacab.

That was a good album to be honest.
Edit: Saw the ABACAB tour at NEC. Highlight was ‘The Cage Medley’

 

[Bill Walker]

The exit of Waters and Gabriel from Pink Floyd/Genesis turned both acts into "Dad rock" tribute bands.

And then They Were Twee.

 

[Bill Walker]

I agree, but strangely I enjoyed Abacab.

Abacrap. :)

 

[KS55]

Really? Their best tunes emerged after he left.

They became a completely different animal. Nobody could repeat Green’s fantastic playing and tone. As MF said: “When Peter was on form, he could break your heart.” Green would not have approved of their move towards pop. But it’s like all these views, they are personal. As a Green fan, I did not like the Buckingham-Nicks version of FM at first but later I came to appreciate some very good melodies. Oh, and Christine McVie’s ‘Songbird’, well just greatness personified.

 

[chesterbells]

The exit of Waters and Gabriel from Pink Floyd/Genesis turned both acts into "Dad rock" tribute bands.

Agree fully on Waters. On Genesis I’d call it when Hackett left rather than when Gabriel did.

 

[chesterbells]

Abacrap. :)

It was a weak and uneven album, that’s for sure.

 

[KS55]

Yeah fair. But I definitely liked their pop rock phase better — some of it was genius.

Lavinda summed it up perfectly. Just depends whether you prefer blues-rock or pop-rock.

 

[chesterbells]

nah...Taylor played on Let it Bleed, Exile and Sticky fingers...pretty much the best of the Stones.

He also supercharged the tracks that pre-dated him when he was part of the band playing them live.

 

[BlindEyeSeesAll]

Ultravox , after John foxx left in 79

 

[Bill Walker]

They became a completely different animal. Nobody could repeat Green’s fantastic playing and tone. As MF said: “When Peter was on form, he could break your heart.” Green would not have approved of their move towards pop. But it’s like all these views, they are personal. As a Green fan, I did not like the Buckingham-Nicks version of FM at first but later I came to appreciate some very good melodies. Oh, and Christine McVie’s ‘Songbird’, well just greatness personified.

Peter was an extremely gifted musician and like Syd Barrett he was bordering on being a kind of genius. Band leader, singer, lead guitarist and band songwriter. He created Fleetwood Mac.

He wrote several top 10 hits which is pretty unheard of from a Blues musician who is also a virtuoso on guitar.
Hits including Black Magic Woman, Albatross, Man Of The World, Oh Well and the fabulous Green Manalishi. A song about his own demons.

 

[Bill Walker]

The exit of Waters and Gabriel from Pink Floyd/Genesis turned both acts into "Dad rock" tribute bands.

Not really relevant to the thread though mate as they weren't replaced.




Even though I agree:)

 

[Nightmare Walking]

New order. Once hook had left that was it. As much as he is coming across as a bit of pineapple these days the bloke was a great bass guitarist and had that stage presence.

To be fair, Tom Chapman who replaced Hooky is a decent enough bassist. Not really sure of his song writing abilities as he's only featured on one album released 12 years ago.
His work on the Shadowparty and Sea Fever albums seems decent though, and he comes across as very Manc for a French bloke!

I am one of those oddballs who love them so much I actually think WFTSC and MC are very good records. But there’s no getting around that Hooky’s bass was a huge differentiator in their sound and a major part of my attraction to their music.

This is an interesting one with New Order. They actually got worse after Gillian left and Phil Cunningham joined. Hooky was still in the band at this point and New Order produced their two poorest albums in Get Ready and WFTSC. For all this shit Republic got, it is a far better album than the 2 subsequent guitar driven albums.

New Order actually improved after Hooky left and Gillian came back. Not to the levels of their heyday. But Music Complete is a great electro pop album and far more enjoyable than the 2 previous albums.

You could even argue that New Order started going down hill when Barney ran off with Johnny Marr.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

I thought Genesis was better without Gabriel save for Lamb, and I really liked PG’s first four solo records and even So. That said, Genesis became a pop band vs a “prog” band and I prefer pop to prog, but always thought they were hit or miss on both accounts. Brits often wildly overrate them IMO.

Never even thought of PF as a band without Waters.

I tend to like your posts Foggie, but your thoughts on Genesis are so appalling I’m thinking of becoming a MAGA supporter just out of spite.