Fat Chance said:haller said:shilton played for england for far too long i agree with that, i always blamed him for the hand of god goal over maradonna, he should never have been beaten in the air.
corrigan still wasn't better than jennings, who imo was the best british keeper around at the time, so wouldn't have started in a world XI. then there's the likes of sepp meier who was a better keeper than joe aswell. any of them 2 or even more would have kept joe out of a world XI in the 70's, i still don't say joe was world class, undoubtedly a good keeper, just not world class.
I always thought joe and shilton should have been fighting for englands no1 jersey, and not shilton and clemence, like i said before, clemence imo was only being picked because he played for liverpool.
I just think when it comes to saying someone was world class, it's said a little too loosely at times.
Well Mucka it appears you've now got fat Joe down to a possible 4th/5th in line of goalkeepers of his era amungst a crowd of multi nationals. If when Joe turned serious and lost his weight he just so hyperthetically did actual perform at a world class level for a team struggling both on and off the pitch would it be recognised to be so...i doubt it, but that don't mean it ain't so cause i've watched all the keepers your mentioning and Corrigan in that last quarter of his carreer (it seems there is a big truth in bigger people maturing slower) was the match of 'em. Remember the Dutch smashing the Zoffs and Meyers of this world in '74...i doubt very much Corrigan would have been beat from 40 yards in his primetime...his waist went slim, he was big lad and he could get his hand into the inside angle....your oppo Shilton could never do that. Thanks for the chat.
haller said:Fat Chance said:[quote="haller
shilton isn't my oppo, i said jennings was the best british keeper. take ur blue eyed specs off and read again where i said he was. The last world class keeper we had was trautmann.
"For me, pat jennings and shilton were the best british keepers at the time.
i assumed being world class means you would get into a world XI at the time, for me, corrigan wouldn't have"
My apologies, when i read 'for me' i kinda presume you favour them, my mistake.
Sleeping_Easy said:I know were being linked with top players but who can we actually class as top players in their position?
I think at the minute we've only really got tevez and yaya and possibly Given.
haller said:
nope, if you'd read my 3rd reply to you, rather than being selective, you would have seen the line with this comment below.
i'll paste it here, so you can easily find which quote it was.
corrigan still wasn't better than jennings, who imo was the best british keeper around at,the time
toddy111 said:Rooney is VERY overrated.
99% of his goals are tap ins and he only really performs when his team are playing well - He showed this in England vs USA.
Tevez can change games, the way he runs at people and doesn't give up is unbelievable (unlike Rooney - if things aren't going his way he gives up and has a strop). Tevez can hit a goal or two from out side the box and around the edge of the area (as he proved last season). Rooney has scored 91 goals for Utd in the 189 games he has played for Utd (0.48 goals per game). Tevez has only been at City for one season and has had to have time to gel etc and scored 23 goals in 35 games (0.66 goals per game).
For these reasons i would pick Tevez over Rooney in my World XI team...
Sabster said:toddy111 said:Rooney is VERY overrated.
99% of his goals are tap ins and he only really performs when his team are playing well - He showed this in England vs USA.
Tevez can change games, the way he runs at people and doesn't give up is unbelievable (unlike Rooney - if things aren't going his way he gives up and has a strop). Tevez can hit a goal or two from out side the box and around the edge of the area (as he proved last season). Rooney has scored 91 goals for Utd in the 189 games he has played for Utd (0.48 goals per game). Tevez has only been at City for one season and has had to have time to gel etc and scored 23 goals in 35 games (0.66 goals per game).
For these reasons i would pick Tevez over Rooney in my World XI team...
Extremely biased view there. Tevez is not in the top 5 strikers in the world, and Rooney works just as hard and has the propensity to change games just as much as tevez does.
What was tevez's goal ratio at united? Only fair comparison..
toddy111 said:Sabster said:Extremely biased view there. Tevez is not in the top 5 strikers in the world, and Rooney works just as hard and has the propensity to change games just as much as tevez does.
What was tevez's goal ratio at united? Only fair comparison..
Tevez wasn't given a fair chance at Utd though so it would be biased and unfair to judge him on that.