Who is the Best All-Around Player England Has Ever Produced?

It would be very difficult..on these boards to fairly weigh up the talent of Duncan Edwards...
From what I've seen of footage,and read about the black country lad
It would appear he was special.
Maybe some older Blue posters who saw DE play can assist
My memories of seeing him play are few and distant; besides, a 7 to 8 year old kid isn't much of a judge of football talent. In my arguably more aware years Colin Bell often took my breath away, so my vote for Edwards is admittedly almost 100% sentimental. But I'll stick with my original choice.

Will just add that I saw wee Bobby Johnstone enough times at Maine Road to appreciate his talent, but when on another Saturday I saw Edwards play it felt like the difference between "bloody good" and "fuck me, he's fantastic" (not that I'd have ever known such words back then.)
 
So,my point is...if the great Pele,...can ..,as he has... over the years,..promoted the name of Bobby Moore as an outstanding oppennent
Where does that leave Colin Bell.?
Ron Greenwood, WHU manager Ex England manager and world cup winner of 1966
Had set out a " pep plan" in December 1970..how to stop Bell...

This plan was torn to smithereens, by Colin Bell ,who led him a merry dance,on a quagmire pitch,away from home, in London,...with 2 world up winners to back him up.( Peters and Hurst).
What does that say about the brilliance of Bell?
Completely ignored by English media....( look at the video footage where Brian Moore who can't stop talking...goes silent..when the Majestic Midfield Maestro from Manchester..,tricks Moore ,after having dragged him away from his comfort zone,of centre back...and moves and glides past him ,making him look stupid..absolute pure class ...
The commentator is silent. .Manchester City and Bell were Amazing.
4nil.and the" Greenwood plan"was in tatters.

Colin Bell is the greatest all round footballer England has produced.
A Blue, whom I used to know, reckoned that Moore always struggled against The King.
 
My memories of seeing him play are few and distant; besides, a 7 to 8 year old kid isn't much of a judge of football talent. In my arguably more aware years Colin Bell often took my breath away, so my vote for Edwards is admittedly almost 100% sentimental. But I'll stick with my original choice.

Will just add that I saw wee Bobby Johnstone enough times at Maine Road to appreciate his talent, but when on another Saturday I saw Edwards play it felt like the difference between "bloody good" and "fuck me, he's fantastic" (not that I'd have ever known such words back then.)
I've read old reports of the 56 cup final and all of them comment on the sheer brilliance of Bobby Johnstone,he sounded a really skilful dangerous player who would torment defences and create pain when he attacked..
However he wouldn't qualify on the England's best produced all rounder, I've not heard anybody mention anything other than attacking ability.
I do remember watching old footage of Edwards playing for England against Scotland at Wembley and watching this absolute man mountain of a player stride out of defence purposefully with a real awe about him,enter midfield with the ball tied to his foot,almost majestic as he picked his pass.incredible stuff tbh.
 
Gascoigne, without a shadow of doubt. The talent he had was off the scale just a shame he had rocks where his brain should be.

I`d turn the tv on just to watch him play the beautiful game.
Brilliant player,always turned up against City for some reason,but not sure if he can be acclaimed as an 'all rounder '?
His tackling wasn't proficient, team discipline almost non existent and temperament suspect.but boy could he entertain!

My Fav Gazza moment was late 80s, England v Scotland u21s at Notgingham Forest ...City had White, Lake Redmond ,brightwell and Hinchcliffe involved so I went down
Gazza went for a head height ball in centre mid,only to be closed down by 3/4 players..quick as a flash he simply stuck his chest out,cushioned the ball and ran past them all at speed with the ball glued to his chest.never seen any footballer do that before or since at any level of the game...
Audacious talent,and everyone in the crowd of less than 10k knew they were watching pure genius.

Not an all rounder tho.
 
Gonna have to give a shout out to Paul Lake,even if I'm biased, and he played a lot of his football at sub premier standard.

Lake started out in City youth as a forward. He had pace,fantastic dribbling ability and ball control,decent header,brilliant tackler,and played centre mid with composure and guile.My fav City player before the Foden years..

He played many games for us in centre mid,but also turned out at right midfield,and ,left midfield in devastating fashion in The Maine Road Massacre ,absolutely destroying utds ex England right back Viv Anderson all match,constantly taking the ball to the byeline on his weaker left foot,setting up 2 goals,and smashing a hole in fergies pre match planning during the 5-1 win..,Lake at his finest.

He played left back at least once for us( nothing special) and I watched him turn out at right back for us against Shrewsbury town (iirc) at Maine road,under Mel Machin.For the first 5mins he played a safe and cautious game,staying resolutely in a defensive position,after about 15 mins,he was starting to dribble the ball up to the half way line,providing width and making the oppennent track back furiously..

By the half hour stage his confidence had grown ,he realised he was a class above and he could be seen in the wide right position at the dead ball line ,cutting in with mazy dribbles doing damage right in their pen box...City went 2nil up and we were cruising, Lake outstanding....we then crumbled and Carl Griffiths,I think poached 2 and it ended 2-2..

Lakes finest midfield moments were as an attacking centre mid on our league cup run of 87/88 season where he absolutely destroyed top league Watford and league cup holders Nottingham Forest at Maine Road..here he ran the midfield, breaking from deep with brilliant surges of ball control,gliding past top level players effortlessly,creating panic in the heart of their defence and scoring or assisting,being man of the match both games..

That very same season City progressed to the quarter finals of the league Cup AND the Fa cup,an outstanding achievement for a team of kids from the old 2nd division.Facing Everton,the league champions at Goodison in front of 54k Lake turned out at inside forward, due to injuries..and later in the season against Liverpool in the fa cup quarter finals played centre back ,when prob the best team in the land that season ,1st division Liverpool with a team of expensive signings ..overwhelmed a young City side, full of home grown talent..

I was there ,on the Kippax terrace,the evening City played Aston villa and Lake did his knee,challenging Tony Cascarino ,falling awkwardly, again playing centre back under Howard Kendall..the start of a career ending painful withdrawal from the game.

Lake had started that season as captain at Spurs away ,August 1990,one of my proudest moments,watching this gifted home grown player lead City out to a rip roaring atmosphere at WHL.

My fav Lake moment was at The County ground Swindon,under Mel Machin,Lake at right back defending a corner,the ball dropped in front of him in the 6 yard box.. big Dave Bamber,the Swindon centre forward, hard man and an awkward customer advanced menacingly to cut off the clearance..quick as a flash Lake put the ball through his legs ,ran round him,and simply glided down the right wing in a pulsating counter attack at speed....it was like watching a rolls royce....the only City player fast enough to catch him up was David White ,but when Lake squared it to him 15 yards in front of goal, White still accelerating, smashed it over the stand roof..!!

Lots of memories of City's own Mr Versatile, and thoughts of what a fit Paul Lake could have achieved for City and England.

Perhaps the highest accolade I could give him is that he would have,imo, slotted into Peps squad,effortlessly.
Great article mate. travesty for him, England and City that he left the game so tragically early. Also, a real nice chap I met a couple of times and his book is terrific. He was an ambassador for the club at one time and I think left for USA, but not sure.
 
It has to be Geoff Hurst. Won you the World Cup. Replaced the ultimate striker Jimmy Greaves and did what he was supposed to do…..score goals. He didn’t need to be an all around player but just a striker who scored goals when it mattered.
 

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