this. Gerrard has directly fucked england twice in tournaments with his daft play giving away goals. Rooney was wank after 26
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Who is the Best All-Around Player England Has Ever Produced?
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Zabbasbeard
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trouble is on here you can't really give an answer because believe it or not football goes back well over 100 yrs so re phrase the question to the last 70 yrs to get a more definitive answer then at least some of us will still have seen players of the era, in which case i'll go for king colin, great engine, good in the air, great in the tackle, fantastic shot on him, good pace, great finisher, close the thread!
its the romantic choice but he scored about 40 top flight goals in england and about 6 in italy. his club career is of zero notability aside from a free kick against arsenal and his international career has a highlight reel of around 4 decent performances in major tournaments.Gasgoine would be my choice.
the rest of the time he was being a drunk nob.
Course he was.come off it mate you can make the comparison but calling Ferguson "lucky", fucking hell.
Lucky to get 4 years winning nowt!
Lucky to win the PL and benefit from the riches that brought compared to previous years, he and they could outspend everyone and they did.
Lucky the Dippers went into a terminal decline resulting in 30 odd years where they were worse than the previous 20 years.
A lot went his way so yes I'll call him lucky!
Course he was.
Lucky to get 4 years winning nowt!
Lucky to win the PL and benefit from the riches that brought compared to previous years, he and they could outspend everyone and they did.
Lucky the Dippers went into a terminal decline resulting in 30 odd years where they were worse than the previous 20 years.
A lot went his way so yes I'll call him lucky!
This is like calling Pep lucky cos he got 7 cracks at the CL before finally winning it. Calling Ferguson a "fraud", Jesus wept. I hated him with the passion that only a child and a teenager who supported his cross town rivals could possess in the 90s and 00s but it's beyond dispute he's one of the great managers.
2 European Cups, 13 league titles, 5 FA Cups and 4 League Cups didn't happen because of luck or fraud. If you genuinely really think that's a reasoned position you're warped.
Rag fraud was light hearted banter seems as Pep is continually referred to as a "cheque book manager" fraud or whatever.This is like calling Pep lucky cos he got 7 cracks at the CL before finally winning it. Calling Ferguson a "fraud", Jesus wept. I hated him with the passion that only a child and a teenager who supported his cross town rivals could possess in the 90s and 00s but it's beyond dispute he's one of the great managers.
2 European Cups, 13 league titles, 5 FA Cups and 4 League Cups didn't happen because of luck or fraud. If you genuinely really think that's a reasoned position you're warped.
A lot went his way and he was allowed to make the most of it.
There are many who believe he chose to step down when the writing was on the wall signalling their dominance was coming to an end.
Fuck him and them.
And btw, both his CL wins were extremely fucking lucky.
A stoppage time win in a game they were second best in and a John Terry slip in a penalty shoot out.
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Nah, was never world class. Never played for a top class club side in his entire careerGasgoine would be my choice.
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If that's the case then England hasn't produced anybody since 1966. Which is bollocks.At what international tournaments have they produced anything of note.
For example the Germans haven't won the World Cup since 2014 and the Euros since 1996 or something, Doesn't mean they've produced shit in the last 9 years.
Slippy and Shrek are definitely in the conversation when it comes to all round players for England. Phil Foden and John Stones are definitely up there also.
I wrote that reply too, then deleted it, because although the thread title doesn't specify football, it is in the general football forum :-)Ian Botham.