Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[NipHolmes]

I like you,want what is best,and if these guys can all club together to get the best for city then we we will all reap the rewards..

Give Bob one more season is all I want. If he fucks it up then its time to go..

It isnt his time to go just yet.

I think with a fresh overhaul the timings perfect. Why bring in players and then a new manager when you can do both at the same time.

If you think next seasons CL campaign will define his season then I think we will know his fate by September. With him failing in Europe again what next? We can't sack and bring in top manager mid-season because most will be in work at other clubs. You change ideally at end of season so new manager gets a pre-season and chance of signing players of choice. Txiki will be the man who identifies players but a manager agrees them too.

Also say if we do crash out CL again next year the whole season will be looking to the end knowing Mancini will go, what if he wins a CC or Fa Cup, do we then delay again because he's won something? Also take into not taht winning the FA Cup is no better financially than progressing out of the group stages in Europe. It may be a trophy but it's unfortuantely seen as a lesser trophy now. Dalglish won the CC and finalled the FA Cup and was sacked!

It was liverpools poor league position got him sacked... if Bob was 8th or 9th in the league all of us on here would want him sacked.

But hes second.. thats the difference.

Dalglish nearly won a double with an average sqaud Sam, he was actually sacked for his handling of the media and his stance on Suarez. Standard Charter threatened Liverpool too and that is a big deal. It's telling how Dalglish has gone into hiding since he got handed his p45 and pay off.

If Mancini must stay because he's won a Cup then Dalglish must stay because he won CC and nearly the FA Cup, he didn't do better in the league because he hasn't a squad like ours.<br /><br />-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:28 am --<br /><br />

I think with a fresh overhaul the timings perfect. Why bring in players and then a new manager when you can do both at the same time.

If you think next seasons CL campaign will define his season then I think we will know his fate by September. With him failing in Europe again what next? We can't sack and bring in top manager mid-season because most will be in work at other clubs. You change ideally at end of season so new manager gets a pre-season and chance of signing players of choice. Txiki will be the man who identifies players but a manager agrees them too.

Also say if we do crash out CL again next year the whole season will be looking to the end knowing Mancini will go, what if he wins a CC or Fa Cup, do we then delay again because he's won something? Also take into not taht winning the FA Cup is no better financially than progressing out of the group stages in Europe. It may be a trophy but it's unfortuantely seen as a lesser trophy now. Dalglish won the CC and finalled the FA Cup and was sacked!

Spot on mate.

As fans we can look at the FA cup all misty eyed as much as we want but the fact is, it means fuck all when it comes to progressing the club both on and off the field as a European powerhouse.

And to be a European powerhouse you need to finish well in the league to gain the Cl spot...which is where we are.

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:23 am --

And they scored this penalty they should have got did they.. ?? come on Nip you're better than this.

I'm not rtying to score points, i'm just saying how close the margins are mate. Fact of matter is we were fortunate v BVB to get a penalty late on and we were unlucky v Ajax when we were denied one.

I'm just saying Chelsea were very unlucky not to get a penalty and they could've most likely made it 2-2 which wopudl then have been game on.

The Fa Cup is a side issue for me. I've made my midn up a while back, I'm thankful of Bob and he has a dog at my house named after ghim but imo we need to part ways for the many reasons I've listed. He's peaked and the timings right. New season coming with fresh faces in the squad and perfect time for new coach being as there's no Euros or WC to break up the majority of the squad.

I think finishing behind Ajax is unforgivable and so too is losing the title effectively by Feb. Crashing out of CC to Villa and the only positive of the season is the FA Cup which may be won against a team that's been relegated and has been progressed in by beating 2 Chapionship teams en-route. It's a cup never the less and I will be deluighted to win it (touch wood) but it should not be his saving grace imho. I'm not ungrateful, far from it, I just want to get the best out of our team and not use the excuse of not seopnding £100m on players as reason for United winning the title. Spurs have jsut 2 strikers and both have either been injured or away from club at points this season yet they are fighting tooth and nail, I don't see that in our squad and as much as players are to blame (for not playing their best, or at least trying to) then the blame falls on one man who's appointed to oversee the playing staff and to get the best out of his squad (the highest wage bill in the league and also league winners only last term with all starting eleven still intact, we may have lost Micah but Zaba has more than filled the gap).

Talking of margins.. what if vinnie hadnt have ducked out of the way of trannies goal at Madrid ??

works both ways.. Football is and will always be "close margins"..thats the real pull of the game..

Fair enough but what answer have you got for the Dortmund games or both Ajax? We were tripe Sam. Nothing else to add. We were fucking dire and we played like Chelsea v Real and Dortmund. You play like that and you're open to being beat, we played much too deep and went into the games more worried about opposition than we did about ourselves and winning the game imo.

For every 'we beat United', theres a 'we lost to blue dippers' and the absolute shower of shit that was Southampton, we were lucky to beat Villa and Wigan too recently. We haven't had our mojo for quite some time now and yet again that falls on the shoulders of Mancini.

 

[samharris]

I think with a fresh overhaul the timings perfect. Why bring in players and then a new manager when you can do both at the same time.

If you think next seasons CL campaign will define his season then I think we will know his fate by September. With him failing in Europe again what next? We can't sack and bring in top manager mid-season because most will be in work at other clubs. You change ideally at end of season so new manager gets a pre-season and chance of signing players of choice. Txiki will be the man who identifies players but a manager agrees them too.

Also say if we do crash out CL again next year the whole season will be looking to the end knowing Mancini will go, what if he wins a CC or Fa Cup, do we then delay again because he's won something? Also take into not taht winning the FA Cup is no better financially than progressing out of the group stages in Europe. It may be a trophy but it's unfortuantely seen as a lesser trophy now. Dalglish won the CC and finalled the FA Cup and was sacked!

It was liverpools poor league position got him sacked... if Bob was 8th or 9th in the league all of us on here would want him sacked.

But hes second.. thats the difference.

Dalglish nearly won a double with an average sqaud Sam, he was actually sacked for his handling of the media and his stance on Suarez. Standard Charter threatened Liverpool too and that is a big deal. It's telling how Dalglish has gone into hiding since he got handed his p45 and pay off.

If Mancini must stay because he's won a Cup then Dalglish must stay because he won CC and nearly the FA Cup, he didn't do better in the league because he hasn't a squad like ours.

Which ever way you want to butter it up,Dalgleish only won the CC.

nearly means didnt.

 

[NipHolmes]

It was liverpools poor league position got him sacked... if Bob was 8th or 9th in the league all of us on here would want him sacked.

But hes second.. thats the difference.

Dalglish nearly won a double with an average sqaud Sam, he was actually sacked for his handling of the media and his stance on Suarez. Standard Charter threatened Liverpool too and that is a big deal. It's telling how Dalglish has gone into hiding since he got handed his p45 and pay off.

If Mancini must stay because he's won a Cup then Dalglish must stay because he won CC and nearly the FA Cup, he didn't do better in the league because he hasn't a squad like ours.

Which ever way you want to butter it up,Dalgleish only won the CC.

nearly means didnt.

Ok then he won the CC which is just as good as the Fa Cup nowadays such is the fall in stock of Fa Cup unfortunately and he got to the final of another which he lost but redeemed in the next league fioxture v Chelsea.

He was sacked for commercial reason, not for success reasons. He did well imho. Unfortunately his old eye for a player let him down and they overpaid drastically on average players. On the field they were a match for anyone and imo were better last season than they are this season. Also factor in Suarez was out for 8 games too.

Makes me laugh when Rodgers talks about progress, they haven't won fuck all and league position is about the same.

 

[blueinsa]

It was liverpools poor league position got him sacked... if Bob was 8th or 9th in the league all of us on here would want him sacked.

But hes second.. thats the difference.

Dalglish nearly won a double with an average sqaud Sam, he was actually sacked for his handling of the media and his stance on Suarez. Standard Charter threatened Liverpool too and that is a big deal. It's telling how Dalglish has gone into hiding since he got handed his p45 and pay off.

If Mancini must stay because he's won a Cup then Dalglish must stay because he won CC and nearly the FA Cup, he didn't do better in the league because he hasn't a squad like ours.

Which ever way you want to butter it up,Dalgleish only won the CC.

nearly means didnt.

Agreed and by the same context, 2nd isn't good enough, abjectly going out of the CC isn't good enough and the dire performances in Europe are equally just not good enough yeah?

 

[SkyBlueFlux]

Not really Sam, they should've had a penalty. That would have made it 2-2. Are you denying this?

This may be a bit besides the point of your argument. But if you're using it as an example... No they shouldn't have had a penalty, I've shown before on here that the initial contact was outside the box. They should have had a free-kick.

 

[NipHolmes]

Not really Sam, they should've had a penalty. That would have made it 2-2. Are you denying this?

This may be a bit besides the point of your argument. But if you're using it as an example... No they shouldn't have had a penalty, I've shown before on here that the initial contact was outside the box. They should have had a free-kick.

IMO it was a penalty because the major contact came within box. It's a moot point anyway because we won and the result is final. My argument is that we had the FA Cup run quite easy and we were fairly lucky to come away with the win and it shoud'nt be the saving grace of Mancini, the season should be viewed as whole. If he stays fair enough but based on the merits of the whole season and the future rather than this cup.

I expect some to take out of context when they want to twist things though. I'm calling that early in case it does.

 

[samharris]

I think with a fresh overhaul the timings perfect. Why bring in players and then a new manager when you can do both at the same time.

If you think next seasons CL campaign will define his season then I think we will know his fate by September. With him failing in Europe again what next? We can't sack and bring in top manager mid-season because most will be in work at other clubs. You change ideally at end of season so new manager gets a pre-season and chance of signing players of choice. Txiki will be the man who identifies players but a manager agrees them too.

Also say if we do crash out CL again next year the whole season will be looking to the end knowing Mancini will go, what if he wins a CC or Fa Cup, do we then delay again because he's won something? Also take into not taht winning the FA Cup is no better financially than progressing out of the group stages in Europe. It may be a trophy but it's unfortuantely seen as a lesser trophy now. Dalglish won the CC and finalled the FA Cup and was sacked!

It was liverpools poor league position got him sacked... if Bob was 8th or 9th in the league all of us on here would want him sacked.

But hes second.. thats the difference.

Dalglish nearly won a double with an average sqaud Sam, he was actually sacked for his handling of the media and his stance on Suarez. Standard Charter threatened Liverpool too and that is a big deal. It's telling how Dalglish has gone into hiding since he got handed his p45 and pay off.

If Mancini must stay because he's won a Cup then Dalglish must stay because he won CC and nearly the FA Cup, he didn't do better in the league because he hasn't a squad like ours.

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:28 am --

Spot on mate.

As fans we can look at the FA cup all misty eyed as much as we want but the fact is, it means fuck all when it comes to progressing the club both on and off the field as a European powerhouse.

And to be a European powerhouse you need to finish well in the league to gain the Cl spot...which is where we are.

-- Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:23 am --

I'm not rtying to score points, i'm just saying how close the margins are mate. Fact of matter is we were fortunate v BVB to get a penalty late on and we were unlucky v Ajax when we were denied one.

I'm just saying Chelsea were very unlucky not to get a penalty and they could've most likely made it 2-2 which wopudl then have been game on.

The Fa Cup is a side issue for me. I've made my midn up a while back, I'm thankful of Bob and he has a dog at my house named after ghim but imo we need to part ways for the many reasons I've listed. He's peaked and the timings right. New season coming with fresh faces in the squad and perfect time for new coach being as there's no Euros or WC to break up the majority of the squad.

I think finishing behind Ajax is unforgivable and so too is losing the title effectively by Feb. Crashing out of CC to Villa and the only positive of the season is the FA Cup which may be won against a team that's been relegated and has been progressed in by beating 2 Chapionship teams en-route. It's a cup never the less and I will be deluighted to win it (touch wood) but it should not be his saving grace imho. I'm not ungrateful, far from it, I just want to get the best out of our team and not use the excuse of not seopnding £100m on players as reason for United winning the title. Spurs have jsut 2 strikers and both have either been injured or away from club at points this season yet they are fighting tooth and nail, I don't see that in our squad and as much as players are to blame (for not playing their best, or at least trying to) then the blame falls on one man who's appointed to oversee the playing staff and to get the best out of his squad (the highest wage bill in the league and also league winners only last term with all starting eleven still intact, we may have lost Micah but Zaba has more than filled the gap).

Talking of margins.. what if vinnie hadnt have ducked out of the way of trannies goal at Madrid ??

works both ways.. Football is and will always be "close margins"..thats the real pull of the game..

Fair enough but what answer have you got for the Dortmund games or both Ajax? We were tripe Sam. Nothing else to add. We were fucking dire and we played like Chelsea v Real and Dortmund. You play like that and you're open to being beat, we played much too deep and went into the games more worried about opposition than we did about ourselves and winning the game imo.

For every 'we beat United', theres a 'we lost to blue dippers' and the absolute shower of shit that was Southampton, we were lucky to beat Villa and Wigan too recently. We haven't had our mojo for quite some time now and yet again that falls on the shoulders of Mancini.

Of course we were dire, but giving a manager the time to try to put it right as opposed to getting rid to give someone else a go is all that seperates us..

Is giving mancini 1 more season really too much to ask ?? The title and getting through the group stage of CL is the goal Id expect and nothing less..

An FA cup and CC wouldnt cover it.. my expectations are as high as yours but Im prepared to wait 1 more season...

My belief that Bob can deliver is all I have as my argument,nowt more nowt less..But its an argument I will back up for 1 more season.

 

[decmancity]

I think the only way Mancini would be sacked this season regardless of the FA Cup is if Guardiola was still available.

As it stands only Mourinho is available and tbh it wouldn't surprise me if went and stayed at Real.

I don't see Klopp leaving and outside of a very nice situation at Dortmund he has hardly been tested/proven himself, Ancelotti could be another option although with them basically champions will they sack him? unless they want Mourinho of course.

I will be surprised if Mancini is sacked this season. It is irrelevant what I think or what anyone on here thinks of him it is just my gut feeling that the management team will take the stance that there have been failings this year that can be rectified.

Also people are saying if we spend more money on players this year then we change managers it would have been wasted. That is wrong imo.

If the rumours are true and Txiki wants to employ 4-3-3 at level these are the kind of players we will buy and if Mancini is sacked next year the next manager will be expected to come in and play this exact same way and utilize all of the players. Txiki won't sack Mancini then bring in Allardyce then go and buy a load of new players.

Look at Swansea, they have built a squad of players that play one way and they have changed their manager more than once in the past 5-10 years and it has not had any affect whatsoever! If anything they have improved each time a new manager comes in and they add their own players to the pot.
When a manager leaves Swansea the club brings in a manager with similar philosophies not just whoever is on the market and they have been successful doing so.

 

[Latics Fan SJK]

Dalglish nearly won a double with an average sqaud Sam, he was actually sacked for his handling of the media and his stance on Suarez. Standard Charter threatened Liverpool too and that is a big deal. It's telling how Dalglish has gone into hiding since he got handed his p45 and pay off.

If Mancini must stay because he's won a Cup then Dalglish must stay because he won CC and nearly the FA Cup, he didn't do better in the league because he hasn't a squad like ours.

Which ever way you want to butter it up,Dalgleish only won the CC.

nearly means didnt.

Ok then he won the CC which is just as good as the Fa Cup nowadays such is the fall in stock of Fa Cup unfortunately and he got to the final of another which he lost but redeemed in the next league fioxture v Chelsea.

He was sacked for commercial reason, not for success reasons. He did well imho. Unfortunately his old eye for a player let him down and they overpaid drastically on average players. On the field they were a match for anyone and imo were better last season than they are this season. Also factor in Suarez was out for 8 games too.

Makes me laugh when Rodgers talks about progress, they haven't won fuck all and league position is about the same.

Whilst Dalglish did well to get Liverpool to two finals last season, I don't agree that they played better stuff than they are this season (at the same time, I'm not saying Rodgers has them playing like Barcelona either).

 

[NipHolmes]

Which ever way you want to butter it up,Dalgleish only won the CC.

nearly means didnt.

Ok then he won the CC which is just as good as the Fa Cup nowadays such is the fall in stock of Fa Cup unfortunately and he got to the final of another which he lost but redeemed in the next league fioxture v Chelsea.

He was sacked for commercial reason, not for success reasons. He did well imho. Unfortunately his old eye for a player let him down and they overpaid drastically on average players. On the field they were a match for anyone and imo were better last season than they are this season. Also factor in Suarez was out for 8 games too.

Makes me laugh when Rodgers talks about progress, they haven't won fuck all and league position is about the same.

Whilst Dalglish did well to get Liverpool to two finals last season, I don't agree that they played better stuff than they are this season (at the same time, I'm not saying Rodgers has them playing like Barcelona either).

They didn't play as aesthetcially good but they were more direct and intentful. They set up to win and they were on their day as good as anyone in the league.

Dalglish had them in roughly the same poistion minus a few points but also won a trophy and runner up in another. That's for good reason, he aimed to win and imo was very hatdly sacked.