Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

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Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

You know, it doesn't take a genius to look at what a manager has at his disposal financially, and then look at what he does with that on the pitch.

Mancini has been an embarrassment over his 12 games with City in the CL.

-12 matches.
-3 wins.
-2 of those from a team that was later relegated from La Liga.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was a late late lucky Aguero goal.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was after their only stars who could be considered worthy of our NextGen squad were out injured.
-The only other win was against a reserves Bayern Munich side at Eastlands.

Mancini has set a record for the Champions League, however. He has provided the worst performance by an English club in the tournament's history. All this... with an essentially unlimited budget. That's not what you pay a Billion pounds for. It just isn't. You don't pay a billion pounds for an FA cup either. Its nice to win it, and its great for us fans, but its not what you spend 1,000,000,000 pounds for. A premier league trophy is great, its the right direction. But even a second one won't make someone who spends 1,000,000,000 pounds feel like he's gotten value for money.

I personally don't want him out, but the above situation pretty much demands it. I, like most fans, would love to win a domestic trophy year in, year out. That's not what our benefactor has spent 1,000,000,000 pounds for.

A fair assessment I suppose...

 

[QuickSilva]

you're dreaming if you believe the eye poker would come in and not want to buy a new 11.

let mancini continue the project.
we are not in crisis and he deserves more support from all of us.

 

[Damocles]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

When a club moves forward so does the managers. The owners/fans as each year goes on expect to see an improvement and City competing and performing at the highest level.

Constant year by year improvement is a myth and a ridiculous requirement. Some years will be harder than others, sometimes you take a step back one year and three forward the year after. Absolutely no club in the world can survive the idea that the club needs to do better than last year or they would be sacked. With this attitude there would be no Barca La Masia, no United domination, no Real Madrid domination. This is the equivalent of saying that a boxer should sack the trainer if they don't win every round.

Mancini is a great manager, imo not one of the best in the world. Probably not even top 5 imo,

Mancini has won a trophy in every single full season of management apart from his first. Your biases are irrelevant, Mancini is a proven quantity at delivering trophies, which makes him one of the very few managers in the world who is.

when the club get's to a certain point it has to 'upgrade' so to speak with the level it moves towards. We've had Hughes who wasn't the best but played a part in buying bigger players and moving us forward ever so slightly and make us a better team, now we have Mancini. He's driven us on and taken us to the next part of our journey in what this club is aiming for, no expects instant glory and success but they want to see improvement and the club going forward.

Wanting to see improvement on a title winning team is the definition of wanting instant success.

Far too often we respect lesser teams. Instead of going for the kill when the opponents are on the rack, we sit back, stroll around and play the game at a walking pace when the chances are that we'd have wrapped the game up playing to our own strengths. This team would be excellent if it was allowed to express itself but it isn't. He holds us back, the small and little amount of times we have been given the freedom to attack we've been brilliant.

We've scored more goals than any team in PL last year. We're not that far off it this year. The idea that he holds us back is utterly, utterly absurd and based on nothing at all. This is literally demanding that we win every game 4-0.

The key line here - Our side is now missing a proper tactical, inside out knowledgeable world class manager.

Because if there's anybody who is qualified to judge the tactical merits of managers, it's a bunch of fans with little training or experience in football theory. Mancini is an excellent tactician, as evidenced by the amount of goals that our subs score, more than any other team in the league last year and look to do it again this year. His ability to change a game is second to none. More than this, Mancini is famous in football circles not for his motivational skills but his tactical skills. Criticising his ability to motivate and you might have a point, but you are literally criticising his biggest strength and saying he doesn't possess it.

Europe is a far cry, he hasn't got it. The Premiership is another story, is HE really responsible for us winning the league? Our side needs a world class manager to make us what we want to be. The bottom line is, Mancini will be gone because he can't take us to that next level. Despite the fact that football's about opinions, more & more blues are taking offence at any honest comments made.

I'm taking offence at the complete disregard for any evidence in your comments yes. You criticise him for holding us back whilst we score more goals than anybody else. You criticise his tactical ability when it's famously his strongest asset. This is not a thought out or considered opinion. In short, and I'm not being mean here just factual, I don't think you know what you are talking about and have already decided your opinion before actually looking at the facts. To be honest, I'm not sure you've even tried to look at the facts.

This is not 'Mancini out', remember i'm talking about having a manager being good enough to manage what he has. Mancini is not out of his depth, or a poor manager. He is a great manager but he just isn't up to scratch to take us to where the fans/owner want to be. He's part of the chain of our rise to the top and he'll be one of the managers who had his turn to get us there. But not the final piece of the jigsaw, and the height of quality we aimed for

Quite simply if you want be the best, you need to hire the best. We're reaching that level now...

If you've got your opinion fine, but don't suddenly claim to speak for both the fans and the owner and our expectation level.

This is one of those posts which looks reasonable on the surface but when you actually look at what they are saying is stupid.

 

[Balti]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

You know, it doesn't take a genius to look at what a manager has at his disposal financially, and then look at what he does with that on the pitch.

Mancini has been an embarrassment over his 12 games with City in the CL.

-12 matches.
-3 wins.
-2 of those from a team that was later relegated from La Liga.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was a late late lucky Aguero goal.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was after their only stars who could be considered worthy of our NextGen squad were out injured.
-The only other win was against a reserves Bayern Munich side at Eastlands.

Mancini has set a record for the Champions League, however. He has provided the worst performance by an English club in the tournament's history. All this... with an essentially unlimited budget. That's not what you pay a Billion pounds for. It just isn't. You don't pay a billion pounds for an FA cup either. Its nice to win it, and its great for us fans, but its not what you spend 1,000,000,000 pounds for. A premier league trophy is great, its the right direction. But even a second one won't make someone who spends 1,000,000,000 pounds feel like he's gotten value for money.

I personally don't want him out, but the above situation pretty much demands it. I, like most fans, would love to win a domestic trophy year in, year out. That's not what our benefactor has spent 1,000,000,000 pounds for.

A fair assessment I suppose...

A one-eyed view. One that the rags are spouting today and will no doubt continue to do until they go out in the next round or two. They weren't so vocal when they failed dismally in Europe last season despite decades and decades of buying success. Only valid if you ignore all the other games we have been involved with this season in our time as CHAMPIONS. And you'd only do that if you were trying to paint a certain picture or had a certain agenda.

It's not great and it doesn't make me happy but we were already out before last night and I'm glad we are not making up the numbers in UEFA's afterthought also-ran competition.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

You know, it doesn't take a genius to look at what a manager has at his disposal financially, and then look at what he does with that on the pitch.

Mancini has been an embarrassment over his 12 games with City in the CL.

-12 matches.
-3 wins.
-2 of those from a team that was later relegated from La Liga.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was a late late lucky Aguero goal.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was after their only stars who could be considered worthy of our NextGen squad were out injured.
-The only other win was against a reserves Bayern Munich side at Eastlands.

Mancini has set a record for the Champions League, however. He has provided the worst performance by an English club in the tournament's history. All this... with an essentially unlimited budget. That's not what you pay a Billion pounds for. It just isn't. You don't pay a billion pounds for an FA cup either. Its nice to win it, and its great for us fans, but its not what you spend 1,000,000,000 pounds for. A premier league trophy is great, its the right direction. But even a second one won't make someone who spends 1,000,000,000 pounds feel like he's gotten value for money.

I personally don't want him out, but the above situation pretty much demands it. I, like most fans, would love to win a domestic trophy year in, year out. That's not what our benefactor has spent 1,000,000,000 pounds for.

A fair assessment I suppose...

Well he's referred to one billion pounds on five occasions, which is anything from accurate and, therefore, far from fair.

 

[Malty]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

You know, it doesn't take a genius to look at what a manager has at his disposal financially, and then look at what he does with that on the pitch.

Mancini has been an embarrassment over his 12 games with City in the CL.

-12 matches.
-3 wins.
-2 of those from a team that was later relegated from La Liga.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was a late late lucky Aguero goal.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was after their only stars who could be considered worthy of our NextGen squad were out injured.
-The only other win was against a reserves Bayern Munich side at Eastlands.

Mancini has set a record for the Champions League, however. He has provided the worst performance by an English club in the tournament's history. All this... with an essentially unlimited budget. That's not what you pay a Billion pounds for. It just isn't. You don't pay a billion pounds for an FA cup either. Its nice to win it, and its great for us fans, but its not what you spend 1,000,000,000 pounds for. A premier league trophy is great, its the right direction. But even a second one won't make someone who spends 1,000,000,000 pounds feel like he's gotten value for money.

I personally don't want him out, but the above situation pretty much demands it. I, like most fans, would love to win a domestic trophy year in, year out. That's not what our benefactor has spent 1,000,000,000 pounds for.

A fair assessment I suppose...

Straight talking is needed around here.

 

[Oohvonkyvonky]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

You know, it doesn't take a genius to look at what a manager has at his disposal financially, and then look at what he does with that on the pitch.

Mancini has been an embarrassment over his 12 games with City in the CL.

-12 matches.
-3 wins.
-2 of those from a team that was later relegated from La Liga.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was a late late lucky Aguero goal.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was after their only stars who could be considered worthy of our NextGen squad were out injured.
-The only other win was against a reserves Bayern Munich side at Eastlands.

Mancini has set a record for the Champions League, however. He has provided the worst performance by an English club in the tournament's history. All this... with an essentially unlimited budget. That's not what you pay a Billion pounds for. It just isn't. You don't pay a billion pounds for an FA cup either. Its nice to win it, and its great for us fans, but its not what you spend 1,000,000,000 pounds for. A premier league trophy is great, its the right direction. But even a second one won't make someone who spends 1,000,000,000 pounds feel like he's gotten value for money.

I personally don't want him out, but the above situation pretty much demands it. I, like most fans, would love to win a domestic trophy year in, year out. That's not what our benefactor has spent 1,000,000,000 pounds for.

Bet you're not on here chirping on Monday red ****.

 

[bapi]

26 european matches in 3 seasons and we won only 42% of them. Good enough?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

You know, it doesn't take a genius to look at what a manager has at his disposal financially, and then look at what he does with that on the pitch.

Mancini has been an embarrassment over his 12 games with City in the CL.

-12 matches.
-3 wins.
-2 of those from a team that was later relegated from La Liga.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was a late late lucky Aguero goal.
-1 of those 2 wins against relegated Villareal was after their only stars who could be considered worthy of our NextGen squad were out injured.
-The only other win was against a reserves Bayern Munich side at Eastlands.

Mancini has set a record for the Champions League, however. He has provided the worst performance by an English club in the tournament's history. All this... with an essentially unlimited budget. That's not what you pay a Billion pounds for. It just isn't. You don't pay a billion pounds for an FA cup either. Its nice to win it, and its great for us fans, but its not what you spend 1,000,000,000 pounds for. A premier league trophy is great, its the right direction. But even a second one won't make someone who spends 1,000,000,000 pounds feel like he's gotten value for money.

I personally don't want him out, but the above situation pretty much demands it. I, like most fans, would love to win a domestic trophy year in, year out. That's not what our benefactor has spent 1,000,000,000 pounds for.

A fair assessment I suppose...

Well he's referred to one billion pounds on five occasions, which is anything from accurate and, therefore, far from fair.

Well it was £930bn by May of this year, so he's probably not far off.

OK so some £300-odd million has been generated in income so the Sheikh hasn't had to put his hand in his own pocket for the full amount but it doesn't change the fact that since 2008 when he bought us, we have spent around 1 billion pounds and since it's his club, it's fair to say he's spent £1bn.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Re: The Reasons Why Mancini Won't Survive At City

A fair assessment I suppose...

Well he's referred to one billion pounds on five occasions, which is anything from accurate and, therefore, far from fair.

Well it was £930bn by May of this year, so he's probably not far off.

OK so some £300-odd million has been generated in income so the Sheikh hasn't had to put his hand in his own pocket for the full amount but it doesn't change the fact that since 2008 when he bought us, we have spent around 1 billion pounds and since it's his club, it's fair to say he's spent £1bn.

What possible fair calculation excludes revenue from the equation?

You dismiss £300 million as if it's not relevant. A mere bagatelle.

So no, it isn't fair to say he's spent £1bn. The fact you think it is, says a great deal.