Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[moomba]

It depends who you lose to of course but many teams who go long time unbeaten protect it as record rather than pound away for the three points.

If I thought for a second that we were doing that I would think different. But I don't think it is the case with us, to be honest I'm not sure it's been the case with any team.

Many say the Arsenal that won the league unbeaten was the best ever prem team but I'd say Chelsea that got highest points total is better achievement and were a better outfit.

I would agree.

 

[simon23]

all i do is look at a list of managers we have had in the last 30 years and see where chopping and changing has got us then....

then i look at chelski and just in the last month where has it got them....yes they won the champs league but a complete and utter fluke....one of the worst negative displays ive seen from a champs league game ever......

then think who could we actually get? jose/pep/kloppe?

would any come....?

jose - he would be here....annoy the shit out of everyone...win some things then bugger off somewhere else....leaving us looking for another manager

pep - is he really that good or was he just fortunate to have ateam with the players he had at the time?

kloppe - would he come,,,would he be better?

a change of manager would again mean a complete overhaul of players/staff and i just dont think we can keep doing that and be successful

stick with RM for the next few seasons at least whatever happens this season

 

[Sky Blue]

all i do is look at a list of managers we have had in the last 30 years and see where chopping and changing has got us then....

then i look at chelski and just in the last month where has it got them....yes they won the champs league but a complete and utter fluke....one of the worst negative displays ive seen from a champs league game ever......

then think who could we actually get? jose/pep/kloppe?

would any come....?

jose - he would be here....annoy the shit out of everyone...win some things then bugger off somewhere else....leaving us looking for another manager

pep - is he really that good or was he just fortunate to have ateam with the players he had at the time?

kloppe - would he come,,,would he be better?

a change of manager would again mean a complete overhaul of players/staff and i just dont think we can keep doing that and be successful

stick with RM for the next few seasons at least whatever happens this season

Good post Simon...

 

[chesterbells]

So supporting your manager is burying your head in the sand?

Maybe there are fans who actually believe in getting behind a manager who has won us 3 trophies in 3 years is the right thing to do. Especially when things are not going as smoothly as we all hope for.

Unless I see this team lose 5, 6 or 7 games in a row then I will stay firmly behind Mancini.

Oh! how can you improve on an unbeaten run of 21 league games?

I don't know if you really expect an answer to that last question, but here's one:
Turns draws into wins.
Anyway it's disingenuous not to include all the other competitive games we've played like the Champs lge & CC

I wasn't being disingenuous. It was DD said we had better improve quickly starting on Sunday. I was merely pointing out the fact how many games in the league since we lost.

When considering how we are performing we should consider all competitions, and not just the ones that support our arguments be that for or against Mancini.

Do you really believe he deserves to be sacked when you consider his overall record at this club?

Ok mate, fair reply. I'm not gonna speak for other posters.
To answer your question, as it stands today, I don't think he "deserves to be sacked". He has a brilliant record overall, and is a very good manager.
However, that's only true for me 99% of the time, there's always an exception - and that's only if there was an improvement available, and even then it would need weighing up carefully, with info I certainly don't have - about man management skills, tactical flexibility & awareness, ability to scout & transfer deal well (being on the outside means not knowing which signings are primarily down to him, for example).
So, if none of the managers who I consider probably, on balance, would be better for the club than Mancini were available, then I would say 100% keep.
The other thing is about language "deserve to be sacked" is quite a loaded way of putting it, tbh.
Top level footy management is cut throat, all involved know and are resigned to it. With the sums involved its nobody's livelihood at stake here - egos is all it is really in terms of the individuals. So, even if we have somebody really good at their job, if the world no 1 at that job says they want to come, then I would expect Mancini to be "relieved of his duties" "parting of the ways" etc even though he might not "deserve" it.

There are 2 different issues here.
1) Whether people think Mourinho and or Guardiola are better coaches than Mancini or not
2) If you do think they are better - and available - is it fair to replace Mancini with one of them.

I think probably yes to both, because I believe it will improve us further - even though I don't think Mancini "deserves" sacking.

 

[Deleted member 52846]

all i do is look at a list of managers we have had in the last 30 years and see where chopping and changing has got us then....

then i look at chelski and just in the last month where has it got them....yes they won the champs league but a complete and utter fluke....one of the worst negative displays ive seen from a champs league game ever......

then think who could we actually get? jose/pep/kloppe?

would any come....?

jose - he would be here....annoy the shit out of everyone...win some things then bugger off somewhere else....leaving us looking for another manager

pep - is he really that good or was he just fortunate to have ateam with the players he had at the time?

kloppe - would he come,,,would he be better?

a change of manager would again mean a complete overhaul of players/staff and i just dont think we can keep doing that and be successful

stick with RM for the next few seasons at least whatever happens this season

Indeed!

 

[chesterbells]

all i do is look at a list of managers we have had in the last 30 years and see where chopping and changing has got us then....


Hang on, so are you saying if we'd kept Bond or Frizzell or Machin for what 10, 20, 30 years?,
that things would have turned out that much different & we would have... achieved what?

None of us can know, and anyway it was a different club back then in lots of ways.

(although we shouldn't have sacked Peter Reid!)

 

[Marvin]

You can't just fire someone because there's someone else who you think might be coming on to the job market who has a better CV.

That seems to be the excuse for the critics.

A manager should be judged against the performance plan - and in our case the major feature will be the League. And Mancini is in credit because it was achieved 2 seasons ahead of schedule.

It's disappointing that even with 2 trophies and a strong start to the 3rd campaign, we still are going on match by match. There are a handful of people responsible for that, and from that a lot of column inches get written ,and the whole thing feeds on itself.

You can trace back a number of back page headlines to this message board.

 

[sir baconface]

all i do is look at a list of managers we have had in the last 30 years and see where chopping and changing has got us then....

Hang on, so are you saying if we'd kept Bond or Frizzell or Machin for what 10, 20, 30 years?,
that things would have turned out that much different & we would have... achieved what?

None of us can know, and anyway it was a different club back then in lots of ways.

(although we shouldn't have sacked Peter Reid!)

Slight exaggeration for effect there, chesterbells. Nobody's saying don't change for decades. And the trophy cabinet was hardly bursting at the seams in the days of Bond, Frizzell and Machin. If someone's plainly no use (Alan Ball) move them on. If they've got proven ability and are having a relatively thin spell (Mancini) then give them time.

Agree with you on Peter Reid. Couldn't believe that decision at the time.

 

[Cajun4689]

Mancini needs to stay. Let's focus on the EPL.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I think some people on here are a bit soft.

It's not about "sacking" Mancini, it's about whether we can improve our club by hiring a better manager.

And remember, this is not like he's on £25k a year and on one month's notice. If we decide to say, thanks Roberto but time for a change, he will walk away with *millions* as a thank you and farewell. And he can get a job at virtually any club in the world.

So let's have a bit less of this "does he deserve to be sacked?" nonsense, and a bit more "we have a business to run here, who is the very best manager we can get to take us to the next level". If that person is not Mancini, then thanks, farewell and good luck. No hard feelings.