Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[JoeMercer'sWay]

3 trophies in 3 years

You throwing the mighty community shield in there too?! (mind you, I did enjoy that one, good day out).

Is 3 more than the other managers being discussed in this thread?

I am throwing the shield in there,why not :)
I think the thug from madrid has won 3 too

True, but I don't think anyone is disputing Mancini's Domestic achievements, just his European exploits.

NOTE: If you don't want to read the breakdown go down to the bottom for summary.

Roberto Mancini

Fiorentina(UEFA Cup):

P6 W2 D2 L2 GS: 6 GC: 6 GD: 0 Win %: 33.3%.

Lazio(UEFA Champions League):

P8 W3 D2 L3 GS: 10 GC: 10 GD: 0 Win %: 37.5%

(UEFA Cup):

P12 W6 D4 L2 GS: 18 GC: 13 GD: 5 Win %: 50%.

Combined: P20 W9 D6 L5 GS: 28 GC: 23 GD: 5 Win %: 45%.

Inter Milan(UEFA Champions League):

P40 W21 D10 L9 GS: 59 GC: 35 GD: 24 Win %: 52.5%.

Manchester City(UEFA Champions League):

P12 W3 D4 L5 GS: 16 GC: 17 GD: -1 Win %: 25%.

(UEFA Europa League):

P16 W10 D3 L3 GS: 27 GC: 12 GD: 15 Win %: 62.5%.

Combined: P28 W13 D7 L8 GS: 43 GC: 29 GD: 14 Win %: 46.4%.

Overall Champions League Record: P60 W27 D16 L17 GS: 85 GC: 62 GD: 23 Win %: 45%.

Overall UEFA/Europa Record: P34 W18 D9 L7 GS: 51 GC: 31 GD: 20 Win %: 52.9%.

Overall Record: P94 W45 D25 L24 GS: 136 GC: 93 GD: 43 Win %: 47.9%.

Trophies: None.
Highest Finish: Champions League(Quarter Final), UEFA Cup(Semi Final).

Jose Mourinho

Benfica(UEFA Cup):

P1 W0 D1 L0 GS: 2 GC: 2 GD: 0 Win %: 0.

Porto(UEFA Champions League):

P17 W8 D5 L4 GS: 21 GC: 16 GD: 5 Win %: 47.1%.

(UEFA Cup):

P13 W8 D2 L3 GS: 29 GC: 10 GD: 19 Win %: 61.5%.

Combined: P30 W16 D7 L7 GS: 50 GC: 26 GD: 24 Win %: 53.3%.

Chelsea(UEFA Champions League):

P33 W16 D9 L8 GS: 48 GC: 27 GD: 21 Win %: 48.5%.

Inter Milan(UEFA Champions League):

P21 W10 D6 L5 GS: 24 GC: 17 GD: 7 Win %: 47.6%.

Real Madrid(UEFA Champions League):

P30 W22 D5 L3 GS: 75 GC: 24 GD: 51 Win %: 73.3%.

Overall Champions League Record: P101 W56 D25 L20 GS: 168 GC: 84 GD: 84 Win %: 55.4%.

Overall UEFA/Europa Record: P14 W8 D3 L3 GS: 31 GC: 12 GD: 19 Win %: 57.1%.

Overall Record: P115 W64 D28 L23 GS: 199 GC: 96 GD: 103 Win %: 55.7%.

Trophies: Champions League(x2), UEFA Cup.

Pep Guardiola

FC Barcelona(UEFA Champions League):

P52 W31 D15 L6 GS: 121 GC: 43 GD: 78 Win %: 59.6%.

Trophies: Champions League(x2).

Jurgen Klopp

Mainz(UEFA Cup):

P2 W0 D1 L1 GS: 0 GC: 2 GD: -2 Win %: 0%.

Borussia Dortmund(UEFA Champions League):

P12 W5 D3 L4 GS: 17 GC: 17 GD: 0 Win %: 41.7%.

(UEFA Cup):

P10 W5 D3 L2 GS: 17 GC: 9 GD: 8 Win %: 50%.

Overall UEFA/Europa Record: P12 W5 D4 L3 GS: 17 GC: 11 GD: 6 Win %: 41.7%.
Overall Record: P24 W10 D7 L7 GS: 34 GC: 28 GD: 6 Win %: 41.7%.

Trophies: None.
Highest Finish: Champions League(Last 16*), UEFA Cup(Group Stage).

Sir Alex Ferguson

Aberdeen(European Cup):

P12 W5 D4 L3 GS: 14 GC: 12 GD: 2 Win %: 41.7%.

(UEFA Cup):

P6 W2 D3 L1 GS: 10 GC: 6 GD: 4 Win %: 33.3%.

(European Cup Winners Cup):

P23 W12 D5 L6 GS: 42 GC: 19 GD: 23 Win %: 52.2%.

Combined: P41 W19 D12 L10 GS: 66 GC: 37 GD: 29 Win %: 46.3%.

Man Utd(UEFA Champions League):

P198 W109 D50 L39 GS: 347 GC: 182 GD: 165 Win %: 55.1%.

(UEFA Cup/Europa League):

P8 W1 D4 L3 GS: 8 GC: 9 GD: -1 Win %: 12.5%.

(UEFA Cup Winners Cup):

P13 W8 D4 L1 GS: 20 GC: 8 GD: 12 Win %: 61.5%.

Combined: P219 W118 D58 L43 GS: 375 GC: 199 GD: 176 Win %: 53.9%.

Overall Champions League Record: P210 W114 D54 L42 GS: 361 GC: 194 GD: 167 Win %: 54.3%.
Overall Europa/UEFA Record: P14 W3 D7 L4 GS: 18 GC: 15 GD: 3 Win %: 21.4%.
Overall Cup Winners Cup Record: P36 W20 D9 L7 GS: 62 GC: 27 GD: 35 Win %: 55.6%.
Overall Record: P260 W137 D70 L53 GS: 441 GC: 236 GD: 205 Win %: 52.7%.
Trophies: UEFA Champions League(x2), UEFA Cup Winners Cup(x2).

Arsene Wenger

Monaco(European Cup):

P17 W7 D3 L7 GS: 24 GC: 14 GD: 10 Win %: 41.2%.

(UEFA Cup):

P6 W3 D1 L2 GS: 9 GC: 6 GD: 3 Win %: 50%.

(Cup Winners Cup):

P21 W7 D11 L3 GS: 27 GC: 14 GD: 13 Win %: 33.3%.

Combined: P44 W17 D15 L12 GS: 60 GC: 34 GD: 26 Win: 38.6%.

Arsenal(UEFA Champions League):

P153 W76 D37 L40 GS: 242 GC: 155 GD: 87 Win %: 49.7%.

(UEFA Cup):

P11 W6 D3 L2 GS: 22 GC: 11 GD: 11 Win %: 54.6%.

Combined: P164 W82 D40 L42 GS: 264 GC: 166 GD: 98 Win %: 50%.

European Cup/Champions League Record: P170 W83 D40 L47 GS: 266 GC: 169 GD: 97 Win %: 48.8%.
UEFA Cup Record: P17 W9 D4 L4 GS: 31 GC: 17 GD: 14 Win %: 52.9%.
Cup Winners Cup Record: P21 W7 D11 L3 GS: 27 GC: 14 GD: 13 Win %: 33.3%.
Combined Record: P208 W99 D55 L54 GS: 324 GC: 200 GD: 124 Win %: 47.6%.

Trophies: None.
Highest Finishes: Champions League(Final), UEFA Cup(Final), UEFA Cup Winners Cup(Final).

Rafa Benitez

Valencia(UEFA Champions League):

P14 W8 D4 L2 GS: 24 GC: 12 GD: 12 Win %: 57.1%.

(UEFA Cup):

P23 W15 D5 L3 GS: 40 GC: 12 GD: 28 Win %: 65.2%.

Combined: P37 W23 D9 L5 GS: 64 GC: 24 GD: 40 Win %: 62.2%.

Liverpool(UEFA Champions League):

P76 W42 D17 L17 GS: 124 GC: 60 GD: 64 Win %: 55.3%.

(UEFA Cup):

P8 W5 D0 L3 GS: 14 GC: 7 GD: 7 Win %: 62.5%.

Combined: P84 W47 D17 L20 GS: 138 GC: 67 GD: 71 Win %: 56%.

Inter Milan(UEFA Champions League):

P6 W3 D1 L2 GS: 12 GC: 11 GD: 1 Win %: 50%.

Chelsea(UEFA Champions League):

P1 W1 D0 L0 GS: 6 GC: 1 GD: 5 Win %: 100%.

UEFA Champions League Record: P97 W54 D22 L21 GS: 166 GC: 84 GD: 82 Win %: 55.7%.
UEFA Cup Record: P31 W20 D5 L6 GS: 78 GC: 31 GD: 47 Win %: 64.5%.
Overall Record: P128 W74 D27 L27 GS: 244 GC: 115 GD: 129 Win %: 57.8%.

Trophies: UEFA Champions League(x1), UEFA Cup(x1).

Carlo Ancelotti

Parma(UEFA Champions League):

P8 W4 D3 L1 GS: 13 GC: 6 GD: 7 Win %: 50%.

Juventus(UEFA Champions League):

P6 W1 D3 L2 GS: 9 GC: 12 GD: -3 Win %: 16.7%

(UEFA Cup):

P8 W5 D1 L2 GS: 19 GC: 11 GD: 8 Win %: 62.5%.

Combined: P14 W6 D4 L4 GS: 28 GC: 23 GD: 5 Win %: 42.9%.

AC Milan(UEFA Champions League):

P77 W42 D18 L17 GS: 113 GC: 62 GD: 51 Win %: 54.6%.

(UEFA Cup):

P16 W8 D5 L3 GS: 24 GC: 17 GD: 7 Win %: 50%.

Combined: P93 W50 D23 L20 GS: 137 GC: 79 GD: 58 Win %: 53.8%.

Chelsea(UEFA Champions League):

P18 W10 D3 L5 GS: 29 GC: 14 GD: 15 Win %: 55.6%.

PSG(UEFA Champions League):

P6 W5 D0 L1 GS: 14 GC: 3 GD: 11 Win %: 83.3%.

Overall Champions League Record: P115 W62 D26 L27 GS: 178 GC: 97 GD: 81 Win %: 53.9%.
Overall UEFA/Europa Record: P24 W13 D6 L5 GS: 43 GC: 28 GD: 15 Win %: 54.2%.
Overall Record: P139 W75 D32 L32 GS: 231 GC: 125 GD: 106 Win %: 54%.

Trophies: Champions League(x2).

Guus Hiddink

PSV(European Cup/Champions League):

P53 W21 D14 L18 GS: 65 GC: 56 GD: 9 Win %: 39.6%.

(UEFA Cup):

P6 W2 D3 L1 GS: 9 GC: 5 GD: 4 Win %: 33%.

Fenerbahce(UEFA Cup):

P4 W2 D0 L2 GS: 7 GC: 7 GD: 0 Win %: 50%.

Valencia(UEFA Cup):

P6 W2 D1 L3 GS: 8 GC: 16 GD: -8 Win %: 33%.

Real Madrid(Champions League):

P8 W4 D1 L3 GS: 18 GC: 11 GD: 7 Win %: 50%.

Chelsea(Champions League):

P6 W2 D4 L0 GS: 11 GC: 8 GD: 3 Win %: 33%.

Anzhi(Europa League):

P12 W9 D1 L2 GS: 22 GC: 5 GD: 17 Win %: 75%.

Overall Champions League Record: P67 W27 D19 L21 GS: 94 GC: 75 GD: 19 Win %: 40.3%.
Overall UEFA Cup Record: P28 W15 D5 L8 GS: 46 GC: 33 GD: 13 Win %: 53.6%.
Overall Record: P95 W42 D24 L29 GS: 140 GC: 108 GD: 32 Win %: 44.2%.

Trophies: European Cup(x1).

Summary

European Trophies Won(ties decided by win % for CL):

1) Ferguson-4.
2) Mourinho-3.
3) Guardiola-2.
4) Benitez-2.
5) Ancelotti-2.
6) Hiddink-1.
7) Wenger-0.
8) Mancini-0.
9) Klopp-0.

Win %(Champions League):

1) Guardiola-59.6%.
2) Benitez-55.7%.
3) Mourinho-55.4%.
4) Ferguson-54.3%.
5) Ancelotti-53.9%.
6) Wenger-48.8%.
7) Mancini-45%.
8) Klopp-41.7%.
9) Hiddink-40.3%.

Win %(Europa League):

1) Benitez-64.5%.
2) Mourinho-57.1%.
3) Ancelotti-54.2%.
4) Hiddink-53.6%.
5) Wenger-52.9%.
6) Mancini-52.9%.
7) Klopp-41.7%.
8) Ferguson-21.4%.
9) Guardiola-N/A.

Win %(Overall):

1) Guardiola-59.6%.
2) Benitez-57.8%.
3) Mourinho-55.7%.
4) Ancelotti-54%.
5) Ferguson-52.7%.
6) Mancini-47.9%.
7) Wenger-47.6%.
8) Hiddink-44.2%.
9) Klopp-41.7%.

Matches per Trophy(* indicates manager yet to win trophy in current run):

1) Guardiola-17.3.
2) Klopp-24*.
3) Mourinho-28.75.
4) Benitez-42.7.
5) Ancelotti-46.3.
6) Hiddink-47.5.
7) Ferguson-52.
8) Mancini-94*.
9) Wenger-208*.

That's just a selection of managers for comparison purposes, haven't included Intertoto Cup or Super Cup, this is just the main meat of Champions & Europa League, if there's another manager(s) you'd like included then just let me know.

 

[Blue Heaven]

Hi Inter fan here.

I am not against City, also I dont support City, but there are strong feeling in Europe that City was one of teams being favourite to win the CL after bayern, Barca, Real and maybe Chelsea after Abramovich spent money again. (And has bigger chance than Arsenal or United as league position has a say in it generally.) City dissapointed in CL it is clear. (Dortmund is a big surprise after last year, but they are really really good.)

And thats why I signed up here I try to give you what was the problem with Mancini at Inter.


His CL record will be his end.

His Inter CL record: always went trough from group stages with us but it was expected given Inter's strenghts and the oppenets in groups (like Inter-Fenerbahce-PSV-CSKA Moscow group or Inter-Rangers-Porto-Bratislava).

From year to year in knockout rounds:

2005: 1/4 finals, Ancelotti' Milan, our city rival, pretty big loss, 0-2 loss first leg, then 0-3 second leg, with 5-0 aggregated result over two matches Milan went trough, Milan went to the finals later and there they lost to Benítez's Pool (hahahahahahaha, from 3-0 up).

2006: 1/4 finals, Pellegrini's Villarreal they reached semfinals wit win over Inter, only lost to Arsenal
(It was dissapointing as there were hopes to make it right after last years horrible loss vs. Milan, and Villarreal really did not have stars…)

2007: 1/8 finals, Valencia They then instantly lost to Chelsea next round, another dissapointing CL season, Valencia was alright with Silva and Villa upfron that time, but Inter was leading in the league we had like 24-3-0 record and Roma had 15 points less with 10 matches before the end we were winning the league basically in March. And the hopes were very high in CL and he failed to beat Valencia, news from his firing started after this season, evenif he won the league with 22 points lead in may 2007, with Lazio on third place was about 30+ points worse.

2008: 1/8 finals, Benítez's Liverpool ,they reached semifinals

Do I have to continue? Liverpool were good in England this year, they had some good players Gerrard, Xabi A, Maschearano, Torres, but we had Figo, Ibra, Vieira, Maicon, Cambiasso etc. and Mancini lost both legs (0-1 and 0-2) of this fight.
So basically he never lost to a team that won the CL later which could have been a little bit excuse for us, "look they won the whole thing,how could we beat them?"

The bad thing is naybe Milan had a better squad in 2005 than Inter but Villarreal, Valencia and Liverpool did not have better squad (or more expensive squads) than Inter in those years.

Mancini went into these knockout matches like Inter with 60-65% favourite all the time except vs. Milan in 2005. (But still Milan-Inter 2-0 then Inter -Milan 0-3 in second leg area humiliating results between city rivals in CL. Imagine if you go trough this year and meet United later on, and them winning 2-0 at home then 3-0 in your stadium, pfff.)

Even if our team was a little bit favourite he came short against Pellegrini, Benítez and Quqie Flores's Valencia. Pretty much being found out tactically. He knew everything about Serie A, he could win that without problem. (Also truth is that Juventus going Serie B helped a lot as it was impossible for to win the league unitl they were in Serie A as it turned out it was maybe because of their matchfixing.:D And we signed their stars Vieria, Ibra instantly :D)

So Moratti (our owner) wanted CL results from Mancini and all we got was 1/4 finals first year, 1/4 finals second year, then only 1/8 finals third years, and 4th time when patience was really running out and he could save his job with a big CL results at least a semifinals he lost to Benítez's Pool that year in 1/8 finals.
Not a single semifinals in 4 years with a strong squad.

Improving in the CL is not what Mancini did at Inter in 4 years. But won us leagues with biggest rival being AS Roma. The only reason he doesnt won the league easily or wont win it esily at City this time because he has harder rivals with better squads than that Romas was under Spalletti.

The most important question for City how important is CL to your owners?
To get good results in CL, to be a team that is feared and respected (for the results you have instead of the big transfer prices and wages you can give!) in Europe not just in England.
They will have to get a new manager for CL success, or really go out shit on FFP and get those world class players Mancini wants. A De Rossi wont be enough alone for you. The difference between Bayern, Real, Dortmund and City is not a De Rossi. A lot more than that.

CL is about:
Pace, tactics, right subs, right changes in the match, finding a mistake in the opponents's play and exploit it as soon as you can, discipline, determination and being able to adapt to your opponent and of yourse fair amount of luck also etc. Thats what was exploited with us by the rival coaches under Mancini. And thats what changed in 2010 when Mourinho won us the CL. He found those weaknesses in our play changed in them 1 year, then next time he found them in Barca, in Bayern and we won it finally.

For you it was Heynckes, Mazzari, De Boer, Mourinho, Klopp all found ways to beat City.

Only the names are different from Pellegrini, Benítez, Ancelotti, Quique Flores who found ways to beat us.

Mancini is not different he is still the same. Good in the league, simply not good enough in CL. Same as at Inter.

To say something good about him he put down some of basics for Mourinho.Thats what he did at City too. I see you complain a lot about his tactics. You shouldn as at Inter he tried everything with Ibra. You have 4 great strikers. We had Ibra mainly is later years under Mancini and it was if Ibra scores we win, if Ibra is bad we dont win.
Ibra never won CL, he is cursed thats why we never won CL with Mancini.:)

We sold Ibra after Mourinho's first year to Barca. In 2009 they won CL. Thn we sel them Ibra. We win it instantly in 2010. Barca sells Ibra 2010 summer to Milan. Barca wins again in the season after that in 2011.:)
Ibra avoided CL wins perfectly.

So when Ibra was king Inter was king, but when Ibra had a bad day we suffered as the tactics was Ibra has to solve it on his own but Mancini put behind him a very massive team that rarely conceded in the league. So tha same no concede score one and you win is MAncini's favourite thing in the world.

He would win a match 1-0 instead of 5-2.
:))

All in all I think it is just question of the time Man City owners give their squad to a manager that is good in CL. Group stage exits are pretty bad results from Mancini with full of players like Yaya toure, Tevez, Silva, Kompany, MAicon, Mario, Dzeko, Agüero. Even 1/8 finals would be bad with these players.

Stronger squad than Chelsea and they won it ast year. This year they made Cl exit now and manager was fired.

Thanks for the excellent synopsis of Mancio's time at Inter. Do you have an opinion about his history of man-management and his relationship with the media, especially in pressers? I remember a lot of drama during his final season there, culminating in the presser where he announced he was resigning as manager, effective end of season. Of course, he walked it all the way back the following day... ;-)

 

[cibaman]

Last season we won 5 out of 6 matches against the teams finishing 2nd, 3rd & 4th in the PL, with a goal difference of +11.

So we can win "big games" just not CL games.

Is the standard at the top of the PL that much weaker than in the CL?

 

[bernabias home shirt]

because 3 trophies in 3 years is not fucking acceptable!!

Real madrid bosses are thinking the same thing.

 

[oppa gangnam style]

Last season we won 5 out of 6 matches against the teams finishing 2nd, 3rd & 4th in the PL, with a goal difference of +11.

So we can win "big games" just not CL games.

Is the standard at the top of the PL that much weaker than in the CL?

I think its weaker. Lot weaker. You cannot even compare todays Arsenal, United to todays CL elit Bayern, Barca, Real.

It can change very fast tho as Liverpool, United, Chelsea were CL elit when they reached CL finals, CL semifinals around 2005-2008.

United still did well in 2009/2011 reaching finals but in finals they had clearly n chance over Barca. In 2008 when they could beat Barca that was actually because they payed a totally different game form their usual one and they defended 180 minutes basically against Barca with maybe Scholes finding a long shot goal and that one goal decided the the semifinal.

But they are going down in their own standard very fast in CL, also Arsenal well that can be understood if we see what players leaving them and what payers coming in for them.
But Ferguson is funny how he cant see his problems in midfield and defence. The later he will do something about it is the better.
They had a fantastic defence in 2008 with Ferdinand-Evra-Vidic all in top form.
They won CL that year and won the league too with 22 goals conceded!
Also Carrick and Feltcher were in their best form maybe Scholes's last great season was too.
Even Arsenal conceded 30 goals that year only. Since than its now 40-50 goals what concede per year in the league.

 

[Blue Haze]

Hi Inter fan here.

I am not against City, also I dont support City, but there are strong feeling in Europe that City was one of teams being favourite to win the CL after bayern, Barca, Real and maybe Chelsea after Abramovich spent money again. (And has bigger chance than Arsenal or United as league position has a say in it generally.) City dissapointed in CL it is clear. (Dortmund is a big surprise after last year, but they are really really good.)

And thats why I signed up here I try to give you what was the problem with Mancini at Inter.


His CL record will be his end.

His Inter CL record: always went trough from group stages with us but it was expected given Inter's strenghts and the oppenets in groups (like Inter-Fenerbahce-PSV-CSKA Moscow group or Inter-Rangers-Porto-Bratislava).

From year to year in knockout rounds:

2005: 1/4 finals, Ancelotti' Milan, our city rival, pretty big loss, 0-2 loss first leg, then 0-3 second leg, with 5-0 aggregated result over two matches Milan went trough, Milan went to the finals later and there they lost to Benítez's Pool (hahahahahahaha, from 3-0 up).

2006: 1/4 finals, Pellegrini's Villarreal they reached semfinals wit win over Inter, only lost to Arsenal
(It was dissapointing as there were hopes to make it right after last years horrible loss vs. Milan, and Villarreal really did not have stars…)

2007: 1/8 finals, Valencia They then instantly lost to Chelsea next round, another dissapointing CL season, Valencia was alright with Silva and Villa upfron that time, but Inter was leading in the league we had like 24-3-0 record and Roma had 15 points less with 10 matches before the end we were winning the league basically in March. And the hopes were very high in CL and he failed to beat Valencia, news from his firing started after this season, evenif he won the league with 22 points lead in may 2007, with Lazio on third place was about 30+ points worse.

2008: 1/8 finals, Benítez's Liverpool ,they reached semifinals

Do I have to continue? Liverpool were good in England this year, they had some good players Gerrard, Xabi A, Maschearano, Torres, but we had Figo, Ibra, Vieira, Maicon, Cambiasso etc. and Mancini lost both legs (0-1 and 0-2) of this fight.
So basically he never lost to a team that won the CL later which could have been a little bit excuse for us, "look they won the whole thing,how could we beat them?"

The bad thing is naybe Milan had a better squad in 2005 than Inter but Villarreal, Valencia and Liverpool did not have better squad (or more expensive squads) than Inter in those years.

Mancini went into these knockout matches like Inter with 60-65% favourite all the time except vs. Milan in 2005. (But still Milan-Inter 2-0 then Inter -Milan 0-3 in second leg area humiliating results between city rivals in CL. Imagine if you go trough this year and meet United later on, and them winning 2-0 at home then 3-0 in your stadium, pfff.)

Even if our team was a little bit favourite he came short against Pellegrini, Benítez and Quqie Flores's Valencia. Pretty much being found out tactically. He knew everything about Serie A, he could win that without problem. (Also truth is that Juventus going Serie B helped a lot as it was impossible for to win the league unitl they were in Serie A as it turned out it was maybe because of their matchfixing.:D And we signed their stars Vieria, Ibra instantly :D)

So Moratti (our owner) wanted CL results from Mancini and all we got was 1/4 finals first year, 1/4 finals second year, then only 1/8 finals third years, and 4th time when patience was really running out and he could save his job with a big CL results at least a semifinals he lost to Benítez's Pool that year in 1/8 finals.
Not a single semifinals in 4 years with a strong squad.

Improving in the CL is not what Mancini did at Inter in 4 years. But won us leagues with biggest rival being AS Roma. The only reason he doesnt won the league easily or wont win it esily at City this time because he has harder rivals with better squads than that Romas was under Spalletti.

The most important question for City how important is CL to your owners?
To get good results in CL, to be a team that is feared and respected (for the results you have instead of the big transfer prices and wages you can give!) in Europe not just in England.
They will have to get a new manager for CL success, or really go out shit on FFP and get those world class players Mancini wants. A De Rossi wont be enough alone for you. The difference between Bayern, Real, Dortmund and City is not a De Rossi. A lot more than that.

CL is about:
Pace, tactics, right subs, right changes in the match, finding a mistake in the opponents's play and exploit it as soon as you can, discipline, determination and being able to adapt to your opponent and of yourse fair amount of luck also etc. Thats what was exploited with us by the rival coaches under Mancini. And thats what changed in 2010 when Mourinho won us the CL. He found those weaknesses in our play changed in them 1 year, then next time he found them in Barca, in Bayern and we won it finally.

For you it was Heynckes, Mazzari, De Boer, Mourinho, Klopp all found ways to beat City.

Only the names are different from Pellegrini, Benítez, Ancelotti, Quique Flores who found ways to beat us.

Mancini is not different he is still the same. Good in the league, simply not good enough in CL. Same as at Inter.

To say something good about him he put down some of basics for Mourinho.Thats what he did at City too. I see you complain a lot about his tactics. You shouldn as at Inter he tried everything with Ibra. You have 4 great strikers. We had Ibra mainly is later years under Mancini and it was if Ibra scores we win, if Ibra is bad we dont win.
Ibra never won CL, he is cursed thats why we never won CL with Mancini.:)

We sold Ibra after Mourinho's first year to Barca. In 2009 they won CL. Thn we sel them Ibra. We win it instantly in 2010. Barca sells Ibra 2010 summer to Milan. Barca wins again in the season after that in 2011.:)
Ibra avoided CL wins perfectly.

So when Ibra was king Inter was king, but when Ibra had a bad day we suffered as the tactics was Ibra has to solve it on his own but Mancini put behind him a very massive team that rarely conceded in the league. So tha same no concede score one and you win is MAncini's favourite thing in the world.

He would win a match 1-0 instead of 5-2.
:))

All in all I think it is just question of the time Man City owners give their squad to a manager that is good in CL. Group stage exits are pretty bad results from Mancini with full of players like Yaya toure, Tevez, Silva, Kompany, MAicon, Mario, Dzeko, Agüero. Even 1/8 finals would be bad with these players.

Stronger squad than Chelsea and they won it ast year. This year they made Cl exit now and manager was fired.

Thanks for posting. Nice to have an Inter fan's opinion.

 

[Anonymous]

Billy/Dave - not had chance to respond to your posts from earlier on yesterday (not that it matters to anyone, least of all yourselves) due to a mountain of work and lack of tinterweb last night, but will do later on when I get back home from Brum.

Nice to see the posts from the Inter fan too - some very interesting analysis.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Billy/Dave - not had chance to respond to your posts from earlier on yesterday (not that it matters to anyone, least of all yourselves) due to a mountain of work and lack of tinterweb last night, but will do later on when I get back home from Brum.

Nice to see the posts from the Inter fan too - some very interesting analysis.

Don't worry mate.

Time to focus on the red bastards now, anyway.

 

[Mancio]

Hi Inter fan here.

I am not against City, also I dont support City, but there are strong feeling in Europe that City was one of teams being favourite to win the CL after bayern, Barca, Real and maybe Chelsea after Abramovich spent money again. (And has bigger chance than Arsenal or United as league position has a say in it generally.) City dissapointed in CL it is clear. (Dortmund is a big surprise after last year, but they are really really good.)

And thats why I signed up here I try to give you what was the problem with Mancini at Inter.


His CL record will be his end.

His Inter CL record: always went trough from group stages with us but it was expected given Inter's strenghts and the oppenets in groups (like Inter-Fenerbahce-PSV-CSKA Moscow group or Inter-Rangers-Porto-Bratislava).

From year to year in knockout rounds:

2005: 1/4 finals, Ancelotti' Milan, our city rival, pretty big loss, 0-2 loss first leg, then 0-3 second leg, with 5-0 aggregated result over two matches Milan went trough, Milan went to the finals later and there they lost to Benítez's Pool (hahahahahahaha, from 3-0 up).

2006: 1/4 finals, Pellegrini's Villarreal they reached semfinals wit win over Inter, only lost to Arsenal
(It was dissapointing as there were hopes to make it right after last years horrible loss vs. Milan, and Villarreal really did not have stars…)

2007: 1/8 finals, Valencia They then instantly lost to Chelsea next round, another dissapointing CL season, Valencia was alright with Silva and Villa upfron that time, but Inter was leading in the league we had like 24-3-0 record and Roma had 15 points less with 10 matches before the end we were winning the league basically in March. And the hopes were very high in CL and he failed to beat Valencia, news from his firing started after this season, evenif he won the league with 22 points lead in may 2007, with Lazio on third place was about 30+ points worse.

2008: 1/8 finals, Benítez's Liverpool ,they reached semifinals

Do I have to continue? Liverpool were good in England this year, they had some good players Gerrard, Xabi A, Maschearano, Torres, but we had Figo, Ibra, Vieira, Maicon, Cambiasso etc. and Mancini lost both legs (0-1 and 0-2) of this fight.
So basically he never lost to a team that won the CL later which could have been a little bit excuse for us, "look they won the whole thing,how could we beat them?"

The bad thing is naybe Milan had a better squad in 2005 than Inter but Villarreal, Valencia and Liverpool did not have better squad (or more expensive squads) than Inter in those years.

Mancini went into these knockout matches like Inter with 60-65% favourite all the time except vs. Milan in 2005. (But still Milan-Inter 2-0 then Inter -Milan 0-3 in second leg area humiliating results between city rivals in CL. Imagine if you go trough this year and meet United later on, and them winning 2-0 at home then 3-0 in your stadium, pfff.)

Even if our team was a little bit favourite he came short against Pellegrini, Benítez and Quqie Flores's Valencia. Pretty much being found out tactically. He knew everything about Serie A, he could win that without problem. (Also truth is that Juventus going Serie B helped a lot as it was impossible for to win the league unitl they were in Serie A as it turned out it was maybe because of their matchfixing.:D And we signed their stars Vieria, Ibra instantly :D)

So Moratti (our owner) wanted CL results from Mancini and all we got was 1/4 finals first year, 1/4 finals second year, then only 1/8 finals third years, and 4th time when patience was really running out and he could save his job with a big CL results at least a semifinals he lost to Benítez's Pool that year in 1/8 finals.
Not a single semifinals in 4 years with a strong squad.

Improving in the CL is not what Mancini did at Inter in 4 years. But won us leagues with biggest rival being AS Roma. The only reason he doesnt won the league easily or wont win it esily at City this time because he has harder rivals with better squads than that Romas was under Spalletti.

The most important question for City how important is CL to your owners?
To get good results in CL, to be a team that is feared and respected (for the results you have instead of the big transfer prices and wages you can give!) in Europe not just in England.
They will have to get a new manager for CL success, or really go out shit on FFP and get those world class players Mancini wants. A De Rossi wont be enough alone for you. The difference between Bayern, Real, Dortmund and City is not a De Rossi. A lot more than that.

CL is about:
Pace, tactics, right subs, right changes in the match, finding a mistake in the opponents's play and exploit it as soon as you can, discipline, determination and being able to adapt to your opponent and of yourse fair amount of luck also etc. Thats what was exploited with us by the rival coaches under Mancini. And thats what changed in 2010 when Mourinho won us the CL. He found those weaknesses in our play changed in them 1 year, then next time he found them in Barca, in Bayern and we won it finally.

For you it was Heynckes, Mazzari, De Boer, Mourinho, Klopp all found ways to beat City.

Only the names are different from Pellegrini, Benítez, Ancelotti, Quique Flores who found ways to beat us.

Mancini is not different he is still the same. Good in the league, simply not good enough in CL. Same as at Inter.

To say something good about him he put down some of basics for Mourinho.Thats what he did at City too. I see you complain a lot about his tactics. You shouldn as at Inter he tried everything with Ibra. You have 4 great strikers. We had Ibra mainly is later years under Mancini and it was if Ibra scores we win, if Ibra is bad we dont win.
Ibra never won CL, he is cursed thats why we never won CL with Mancini.:)

We sold Ibra after Mourinho's first year to Barca. In 2009 they won CL. Thn we sel them Ibra. We win it instantly in 2010. Barca sells Ibra 2010 summer to Milan. Barca wins again in the season after that in 2011.:)
Ibra avoided CL wins perfectly.

So when Ibra was king Inter was king, but when Ibra had a bad day we suffered as the tactics was Ibra has to solve it on his own but Mancini put behind him a very massive team that rarely conceded in the league. So tha same no concede score one and you win is MAncini's favourite thing in the world.

He would win a match 1-0 instead of 5-2.
:))

All in all I think it is just question of the time Man City owners give their squad to a manager that is good in CL. Group stage exits are pretty bad results from Mancini with full of players like Yaya toure, Tevez, Silva, Kompany, MAicon, Mario, Dzeko, Agüero. Even 1/8 finals would be bad with these players.

Stronger squad than Chelsea and they won it ast year. This year they made Cl exit now and manager was fired.

Thanks for posting. Nice to have an Inter fan's opinion.

if he show an evidence to be an italian inter fan i will cut my cock . i swear.

 

[crystal_mais]

Thanks for posting. Nice to have an Inter fan's opinion.

if he show an evidence to be an italian inter fan i will cut my cock . i swear.

Once you have done it, let me know - I'll send you an address of a bar in Thailand that may employ you :)