Why The Hell Would Anyone Want Mancini Sacked ?

[moomba]

I suppose the fact that we have beaten one decent side this season might contribute to those comments.

In ten games against the better opposition that we are going to face; i.e. Chelsea, Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Real, Dortmund and Ajax, we haven't won a single one.

Oh and I'm still waiting for a proper discussion, rather than "you're wrong cos you're thick".

It could take a while, I suppose, in these limited intelligence surroundings. Everybody's too busy polishing their heads or admiring their green, spikey tattoos!:)

Well I thought I was having a discussion, and I've certainly never said "you're wrong because you're thick".

Now in games against good opposition last year we won plenty, Rags twice, Spurs twice, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool. Has Mancini rapidly become a bad manager, or are you just taking advantage of a stat while you can use it (conveniently ignoring wins over Spurs who are higher on the table than Arsenal, Everton and Liverpool).

Remember a few years back United were crap in the big games, but won the league. Other times they've won the league because they did better in the big games. Means very little IMO.

 

[Blue Haze]

no True Blue would be quite content for City to lose to the rags because of their delusions regarding the manager

Watching them break our unbeaten home streak and winning the league, that would be unthinkable. Wouldn't wish it even if Stalin was our manager.

We're going to win tomorrow.

 

[Damocles]

It 'might' be for the best in the long run. I never said I actually really want us to lose. I certainly don't. A defeat by Watford in the Cup would do it better!:)

And that is an absolute staple reply that you have come up with to feebly justify yourself to the public when, in reality, you haven't got any reasoned response to my points.

I've got reasoned responses to your points. I just don't think they deserve reasoned responses because they're extremist and daft. I don't take your opinion seriously therefore I find it hard to motivate myself enough to tell you why you're wrong, I expect you to already know.

Most of your post was drivel. Some of it was uninformed, other bits were cliche without backing, others were logical fallacies such as the argument from populus that you poted earlier, some of them are ad-hoc fallacies.

To cut it short, I recognise your post is almost laughably bad reasoning and so do that many others that I see no need to correct you.

He's clearly got your back up mate. But to be fair, there's some reasonable and reasoned points in that post. Clearly there's zero obligation to respond to it, but your "it's all bollocks" reply doesn't remotely cut it. Plainly, it is not all bollocks.

He hasn't got my back up at all if I'm honest. That wasn't me posting angrily, that was me posting pretty straight.

I don't respect him. I don't respect his opinion. His opinion is widely condemed. I see no reason to reply.

Say what you want about Billy and Dave but one of the reasons why we argue so much is because I respect their intelligence and want them to consider my point (and vice versa, I presume). I make the effort to counter their posts due to this. None of them have ever said that they think City losing might be a good thing.

DD, does not share that privilege from what I've read.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's amazing how a "might not be such a bad thing" has turned into an actively wanting us to lose.

Mind you, when people haven't got the ability to actually form reasoned responses to points made then I suppose it is no surprise that reading things correctly is a little too difficult.

For one I would love us to win because I've been a season ticket holder for 33 years (cock measuring quote, I know!) and it's a rather large part of my life, but the bigger picture is that I would rather see my team win the league multiple times rather than just the once. If that is something that needs addressing now for a better future then so be it. I think it is, you think it doesn't.

I will be celebrating like anyone else if we win tomorrow, but if we lose, and it will seem like a small consolation at the time, but the positive I will take out of it is that a change of managerial direction will probably give us a greater chance of further success in future.

Your original statement has died the death of a thousand qualifications. The point, however, is that you made it. A statement that no real blue could even contemplate.

As I said, your mask has slipped.

 

[The Future's Blue]

It's amazing how a "might not be such a bad thing" has turned into an actively wanting us to lose.

Mind you, when people haven't got the ability to actually form reasoned responses to points made then I suppose it is no surprise that reading things correctly is a little too difficult.

For one I would love us to win because I've been a season ticket holder for 33 years (cock measuring quote, I know!) and it's a rather large part of my life, but the bigger picture is that I would rather see my team win the league multiple times rather than just the once. If that is something that needs addressing now for a better future then so be it. I think it is, you think it doesn't.

I will be celebrating like anyone else if we win tomorrow, but if we lose, and it will seem like a small consolation at the time, but the positive I will take out of it is that a change of managerial direction will probably give us a greater chance of further success in future.

No problems with anything you say but it must be a pisser to have wanted Mancini out all this time. The wins, the cups etc would've been a huge bonus, but by Mancini proving you wrong must wind you up no end.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Who do you want us to take over Mancini,,,,,,,Mourinho I guess,,,,well he is trailing the league by 11 points despite have the most expensively assembled side,,,,or I say Guardialo who could'nt win the league despite have the best team in the world and takes a year vacation cus he could handle the pressure or I say Klopp who has gone 14 points behind Bayern tonight,,,,,,,,Mancini is the main reason for our success and claiming for his head is the ridiculous,,,,,,I think we dont deserve such a manager if we cant be grateful,,,,,did united fan say to sack Banocface when he blew 8 points lead and won nothing last year,,
Mancini wanted De rossi,Hazard and he got Garcia and Sinclair,,,,,,imagine if he had the former two we would be running away with the league,,,,,,This person isnt liked by the media because he made a joke out of their beloved Fergie and United last year,,,,,THe whole fucking media is against our club and manager and sadly we fans have also fallen in their trap,,,,,,Just be patient,,,,,Imagine if we had sacked Mancini after the Arsenal loss,,would we had won the league,,,,,,,,Pls think before u right

This!

 

[blumoonrisen]

Derby day tomorrow guys, just saying, is it too much to ask that this place just gets behind our lads for once, if this place represents the fans god help us

By getting behind the lads do you mean wanting them to win?

If so, I'm in. Any other takers?

Embarrassing this place at times, no bloody wonder no atmosphere at home games

What has this forum got to do with atmosphere at games..? I'd say far less than 5% of our matchday support comes on here, a point missed by most folk.

 

[jay_mcfc]

He's clearly got your back up mate. But to be fair, there's some reasonable and reasoned points in that post. Clearly there's zero obligation to respond to it, but your "it's all bollocks" reply doesn't remotely cut it. Plainly, it is not all bollocks.

No mate. It is bollocks. The kind we've become used to on here.

A manager that in 2 full seasons took us from 5th to FA Cup winners and Premier League champions with the best defence, the most goals scored, unbeaten at home in two years, unbeaten home or away in 8 or 9 months, has improved almost every single player he's had at the club; Hart, Lescott, Barry, Richards, Kompany, De Jong, Zabaleta etc, who's signed some of the worlds best players; Yaya, Aguero, Silva etc, who last season increased our points total from the year before by 18 points and who is one win away tomorrow from getting us back to the top of the league.... does not deserve this shit.

Europe is a different matter. We have been utter wank, no getting away from it. But it's gone now, it is history. We can evaluate that at the end of the season but for now we have a proven winner managing our club going into the most important game of the season.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I've got reasoned responses to your points. I just don't think they deserve reasoned responses because they're extremist and daft. I don't take your opinion seriously therefore I find it hard to motivate myself enough to tell you why you're wrong, I expect you to already know.

Most of your post was drivel. Some of it was uninformed, other bits were cliche without backing, others were logical fallacies such as the argument from populus that you poted earlier, some of them are ad-hoc fallacies.

To cut it short, I recognise your post is almost laughably bad reasoning and so do that many others that I see no need to correct you.

He's clearly got your back up mate. But to be fair, there's some reasonable and reasoned points in that post. Clearly there's zero obligation to respond to it, but your "it's all bollocks" reply doesn't remotely cut it. Plainly, it is not all bollocks.

He hasn't got my back up at all if I'm honest. That wasn't me posting angrily, that was me posting pretty straight.

I don't respect him. I don't respect his opinion. His opinion is widely condemed. I see no reason to reply.

Say what you want about Billy and Dave but one of the reasons why we argue so much is because I respect their intelligence and want them to consider my point (and vice versa, I presume). I make the effort to counter their posts due to this. None of them have ever said that they think City losing might be a good thing.

DD, does not share that privilege from what I've read.

Fair enough. And the "losing might not be such a bad thing" comment was a bit provocative and ill advised.

I want to to win tomorrow (of course) and hope we get our shit together and start kicking on from where we were last year, but I am not certain we will. I hope we do.

 

[DD]

And so still no-one is intelligent enough to reply to the points. No, you don't have to. Anyone with intelligence can spot, though, that the reason nobody does is because nobody can.

He who shouts and insults loudest wins the argument round here.

You can write 'War and Peace', and then somebody quotes it and says 'crap' and everyone agrees because the retorter has 18,000 posts !:)

It reminds me of the woman who, when there is clearly something wrong, responds to your "what's up love" with a grumpy, "nothing". You know there is, you know there's plenty to say, but they won't say it because they know deep down inside that they are not on safe ground to argue back, because you'd easily win the argument on the basis they are getting het up over trivia.

Same here. Nobody responds to the paragraphs with quotes and discussions, not because I'm not worthy of response, but because they know I will stand my ground and defeat them with even more reasoned responses. ;)

The spirit of debate is dead, because the intelligence isn't there it would seem.

 

[moomba]

Plenty of people have responded, just not with a point of view that matches yours.

 

[Seosa]

I know it's been brought up before, but surely DD is just another not so subtle alias for Disdbury Dick.

 

[DD]

Fair enough. And the "losing might not be such a bad thing" comment was a bit provocative and ill advised..

I agree. It was. However, if that one comment destroys everything else I have ever said then I'm Roberto's lovechild.

The fact is it was an easy comment that they could pick on to try and discredit me, and to airbrush everything else out of reasoned discussion.

I made it easy for them and that was a mistake. However, if it hadn't been for that, then we'd have simply had more "he's wrong so I can't be bothered discussing it as my tea's ready, I have to wash my underpants or I'm going out to drink four cans of Spesh on the local park" etc style of comments.

 

[jay_mcfc]

And so still no-one is intelligent enough to reply to the points. No, you don't have to. Anyone with intelligence can spot, though, that the reason nobody does is because nobody can.

He who shouts and insults loudest wins the argument round here.

You can write 'War and Peace', and then somebody quotes it and says 'crap' and everyone agrees because the retorter has 18,000 posts !:)

It reminds me of the woman who, when there is clearly something wrong, responds to your "what's up love" with a grumpy, "nothing". You know there is, you know there's plenty to say, but they won't say it because they know deep down inside that they are not on safe ground to argue back, because you'd easily win the argument on the basis they are getting het up over trivia.

Same here. Nobody responds to the paragraphs with quotes and discussions, not because I'm not worthy of response, but because they know I will stand my ground and defeat them with even more reasoned responses. ;)

The spirit of debate is dead, because the intelligence isn't there it would seem.

Honestly, where the fuck do you get off? I would quit the whole 'houlier than you' and 'intelligence' stuff if I were you. When we are three points off top with the chance to win tomorrow and take over our biggest rivals, to say what you said is the most moronic thing I've ever heard or read from any blue anywhere. You don't deserve that your points be debated.

 

[the goats backside]

By getting behind the lads do you mean wanting them to win?

If so, I'm in. Any other takers?

Embarrassing this place at times, no bloody wonder no atmosphere at home games

What has this forum got to do with atmosphere at games..? I'd say far less than 5% of our matchday support comes on here, a point missed by most folk.

How i wish you were right

 

[reddishblue]

And so still no-one is intelligent enough to reply to the points. No, you don't have to. Anyone with intelligence can spot, though, that the reason nobody does is because nobody can.

He who shouts and insults loudest wins the argument round here.

You can write 'War and Peace', and then somebody quotes it and says 'crap' and everyone agrees because the retorter has 18,000 posts !:)

It reminds me of the woman who, when there is clearly something wrong, responds to your "what's up love" with a grumpy, "nothing". You know there is, you know there's plenty to say, but they won't say it because they know deep down inside that they are not on safe ground to argue back, because you'd easily win the argument on the basis they are getting het up over trivia.

Same here. Nobody responds to the paragraphs with quotes and discussions, not because I'm not worthy of response, but because they know I will stand my ground and defeat them with even more reasoned responses. ;)

The spirit of debate is dead, because the intelligence isn't there it would seem.

arrogance beyond belief

 

[DD]

Plenty of people have responded, just not with a point of view that matches yours.

We won the Cup and the League is the sum total of reasoned response; along with the you're a dick approach, of course.

No-one has ever responded to individual points made about

1) Tactics - especially on the road
2) Not getting the best out of players
3) The way Balotelli is allowed carte-blanche to do what he wants whilst other players were hung out to dry for less
4) Our form against decent teams this season
5) The fact that he really did have it made for him with the money at his disposal
6) The point that we sometimes fear the opposition too much and don't impose ourselves on them despite us having better players
7) The tinkering with formations and personnel that I think is costing us points.
8) My belief that a decent manager would have walked the league last season without United having to capitulate, after we had totally frittered away a great start
9) The belief that his over-cautious approach cost us many away games over the last winter
10) The fact that his European record is an utter disgrace, with both Inter and City seriously underachieving compared to teams from the same country that finished below them in the league.

There's probably more. I've asked these questions on so many occasions yet nobody ever says, "right, I think you are wrong and this is why you are wrong". It's "you're wrong because you are we won the league and the cup".

No-one has the nerve to answer each point in a civilised manner because they might get proved wrong, they don't want to and are putting their fingers into their ears shouting "la-la-la".

And no, I won't be on here tomorrow night, win, lose or draw, because I will be in the pub - if that's alright! ;)

-- Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:26 pm --

You don't deserve that your points be debated.

You can't. That's why. Admit it. :)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

And so still no-one is intelligent enough to reply to the points. No, you don't have to. Anyone with intelligence can spot, though, that the reason nobody does is because nobody can.

He who shouts and insults loudest wins the argument round here.

You can write 'War and Peace', and then somebody quotes it and says 'crap' and everyone agrees because the retorter has 18,000 posts !:)

It reminds me of the woman who, when there is clearly something wrong, responds to your "what's up love" with a grumpy, "nothing". You know there is, you know there's plenty to say, but they won't say it because they know deep down inside that they are not on safe ground to argue back, because you'd easily win the argument on the basis they are getting het up over trivia.

Same here. Nobody responds to the paragraphs with quotes and discussions, not because I'm not worthy of response, but because they know I will stand my ground and defeat them with even more reasoned responses. ;)

The spirit of debate is dead, because the intelligence isn't there it would seem.

As Bluemoon's fourth most intelligent poster, I object strenuously to this post.

 

[Damocles]

And so still no-one is intelligent enough to reply to the points. No, you don't have to. Anyone with intelligence can spot, though, that the reason nobody does is because nobody can.

That's getting very close to trolling.

 

[DD]

And so still no-one is intelligent enough to reply to the points. No, you don't have to. Anyone with intelligence can spot, though, that the reason nobody does is because nobody can.

That's getting very close to trolling.

I suppose it's a kind of hope that it might anger someone into a reasoned response, but as there quite clearly isn't one, then it would appear to be a forlorn dream. :)