chesterbells said:cityboy1 said:rafa? you'd really want him here?chesterbells said:Yes indeed, we should be looking for proven pedigree: Mourinho, Ancelotti, Klopp, Rafa the gaffer is worthy of consideration too. If any of these are 'available' this summer then we shouldnt be fannying around.
Mate, he wouldnt be my first choice, hence me putting those names in that order, but I do think he has something, yes. Let's put it this way, if he doesnt stay at Chelsea, and they win the Europa and get top 4 under him, I can see him getting a job with one of the big European teams
-- Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:29 pm --
Barcon said:chesterbells said:After what he did at QPR? Really?
FWIW, I fully expect Benitez to add another European trophy to his cv this season. But then I'm sure some will dismiss that
Like Roman?
Erm, if he's dismissing him to bring in Mourinho, then that 100% the right decision.
It doesnt mean Benitez is a bad manager - just like it wouldnt mean Mancini is a bad manager if we brought Mourinho in to replace him this summer, as we should be trying to do.
Its an upgrade thats all. Its business.
Barcon said:chesterbells said:cityboy1 said:rafa? you'd really want him here?
Mate, he wouldnt be my first choice, hence me putting those names in that order, but I do think he has something, yes. Let's put it this way, if he doesnt stay at Chelsea, and they win the Europa and get top 4 under him, I can see him getting a job with one of the big European teams
-- Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:29 pm --
Barcon said:Like Roman?
Erm, if he's dismissing him to bring in Mourinho, then that 100% the right decision.
It doesnt mean Benitez is a bad manager - just like it wouldnt mean Mancini is a bad manager if we brought Mourinho in to replace him this summer, as we should be trying to do.
Its an upgrade thats all. Its business.
He'll be dismissing him regardless of who he brings in.
Barcon said:chesterbells said:cityboy1 said:rafa? you'd really want him here?
Mate, he wouldnt be my first choice, hence me putting those names in that order, but I do think he has something, yes. Let's put it this way, if he doesnt stay at Chelsea, and they win the Europa and get top 4 under him, I can see him getting a job with one of the big European teams
-- Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:29 pm --
Barcon said:Like Roman?
Erm, if he's dismissing him to bring in Mourinho, then that 100% the right decision.
It doesnt mean Benitez is a bad manager - just like it wouldnt mean Mancini is a bad manager if we brought Mourinho in to replace him this summer, as we should be trying to do.
Its an upgrade thats all. Its business.
He'll be dismissing him regardless of who he brings in. He is a bad manager, and wouldn't be offered the full time job at any one of the top four English teams. If Roman hadn't already burned through half of Europes managers Raffa wouldn't have even got a sniff at the interim job.
chesterbells said:Barcon said:chesterbells said:Mate, he wouldnt be my first choice, hence me putting those names in that order, but I do think he has something, yes. Let's put it this way, if he doesnt stay at Chelsea, and they win the Europa and get top 4 under him, I can see him getting a job with one of the big European teams
-- Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:29 pm --
Erm, if he's dismissing him to bring in Mourinho, then that 100% the right decision.
It doesnt mean Benitez is a bad manager - just like it wouldnt mean Mancini is a bad manager if we brought Mourinho in to replace him this summer, as we should be trying to do.
Its an upgrade thats all. Its business.
He'll be dismissing him regardless of who he brings in.
Maybe its for Hughes.
I'm not trying to suggest he will stay at Chelsea, and I'm not saying every decision the Chelsea owner makes is the right one at all.
If I'm being consistent, then unless he's gonna bring in the calibre of Mourinho (again!), Ancelotti (again!), Hiddink (again!), or Klopp, then I think they should stick with Benitez. But I know they wont.
My point is that Benitez has qualities, and successes in Europe to his name, and shouldnt be dismissed and laughed out of the place in same way as say Brendan Rogers has been
-- Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:47 pm --
Barcon said:chesterbells said:Mate, he wouldnt be my first choice, hence me putting those names in that order, but I do think he has something, yes. Let's put it this way, if he doesnt stay at Chelsea, and they win the Europa and get top 4 under him, I can see him getting a job with one of the big European teams
-- Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:29 pm --
Erm, if he's dismissing him to bring in Mourinho, then that 100% the right decision.
It doesnt mean Benitez is a bad manager - just like it wouldnt mean Mancini is a bad manager if we brought Mourinho in to replace him this summer, as we should be trying to do.
Its an upgrade thats all. Its business.
He'll be dismissing him regardless of who he brings in. He is a bad manager, and wouldn't be offered the full time job at any one of the top four English teams. If Roman hadn't already burned through half of Europes managers Raffa wouldn't have even got a sniff at the interim job.
'A bad manager'?! Listen, I'm a bad manager for the under 9s. Alan Ball was a bad manager at city. Graham Taylor was a bad manager for England. If you seriously think Benetiz is a bad manager, then I bid you farewell, and enjoy the evening in Toronto
lust overlord said:By and large the 352 didn't work in most games we've played and the manager has to take responsibility for it.However the players would have practiced in training and some of the goals conceded,especially against Ajax rank bad marking at set pieces,and Real Madrids winner which Komps ducked under can't be wholly blamed on formation tinkering.
Dethred said:lust overlord said:By and large the 352 didn't work in most games we've played and the manager has to take responsibility for it.However the players would have practiced in training and some of the goals conceded,especially against Ajax rank bad marking at set pieces,and Real Madrids winner which Komps ducked under can't be wholly blamed on formation tinkering.
By and large? I don't recall a single game in which it has worked. The only reference Mancini can give for it working was the FA Cup 3rd Round last season. That was solely down to having so many defenders on the pitch that they couldn't even put a shot into the box, and our careful counter attacking.
Every other time, 3-5-2 has ruined our games or not shifted the dynamic into our favor one fucking bit (although 2-3 times one match, Maicon did get a few chances to cross and gave us a bit more attack). Its so shitty, that after he's completely fucked our defense with the switch and we conceded a goal, he immediately switches it back to 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. Or if he totally brings us past the point of rescuing the match, he'll abandon any semblance of a system and Hail-Mary it with 3+ strikers and no midfielders at all. Its embarrassing. The most concerning part of the whole debacle, is that he's used it to crush our PL hopes, and fucked us in the CL as well. Everton was a MUST WIN match, and he took the game away from us by making the formation change.
Yes, the set-piece goals in the CL were also another point against Mancini's tactics. All of a sudden we change from man marking to zonal defense in set pieces, and have three goals in conceded in two games against Ajax. How, after a miniscule Ajax side scored the first goal, Mancini didn't immediately say "fuck that, back to what works", I will never comprehend.
And the goals conceded against Madrid I'd at least partially blame on Mancini throwing a player who'd been with the club about a month (if that) straight into our most difficult CL match to date. Nastasic had a great individual performance, and it wasn't directly because of him, but when you have two central defenders that are used to reading off one-another, switching that around abruptly for a huge match is just fucking silly. Kompany was clearly looking over his shoulder and wasn't as assured in his positioning as when he's playing with Lescott. Obviously that's not really a problem anymore, but in that match it seemed to be.
Our defense in the CL was so fucking backwards and dysfunctional, that the only reason we didn't end up with something like a -20 Goal Difference was because we have one of the best keepers on the planet (I happen to rank him as #1, personally).
Charity Shield.Dethred said:I don't recall a single game in which it has worked.......
Every other time, 3-5-2 has ruined our games or not shifted the dynamic into our favor one fucking bit
3-5-2 would be a great opportunity for Micah to re-establish himself if he gets to grips with it.St Helens Blue (Exiled) said:GDM-Yep you beat me too it..Charity shield we tried the 3-5-2 and it seemed to work perfectly well. I am not a great fan of it to be honest.
Just hope that Mancini stays.One more season though if we crash and burn again in europe. Then I will potentially become an outer....
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-- Sun Apr 28, 2013 10:15 pm --
Master_Tactician said:Agree but a lot of people said the same about Mancini having one more go at CL after last year, also for a few years at Inter...
Next year is surely too important to be taking a punt that he suddenly comes good?
ONLY THIS^^^^
Rafa the gaffer is worthy of consideration too.