Will murray win wimbledon?/ serina appreciation society

[mackenzie]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

Murray will never be a "great" Bigga.

He just hasn't got that final element to his game.

Even Sue Barker managed to win the French Open at a time when there were many good ladies about. She was never a "great" either.

 

[Bigga]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

Murray will never be a "great" Bigga.

He just hasn't got that final element to his game.

Even Sue Barker managed to win the French Open at a time when there were many good ladies about. She was never a "great" either.

That'll be because she only won the one title!

Are you saying that if Murray goes on to win 4 or 5 titles, he still won't be considered a 'great' Briton because he lacks 'that final element'?? Even though he learns from each defeat about the style of his opponent?

 

[mackenzie]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

He is a very good player but he won't be a great player.

His game just seems to be lacking that "special" ingredient; mindblowing consistency. Sampras had it, Borg had it, Federer has it. Murray doesn't.

He reminds me in some ways of McEnroe and Agassi in that they were often at the their best when the chips were down. It's just that they were better tennis players on the big occasion.

McEnroe seemed to go through this whole soap opera thing when he was at his peak. He would win a set or two and then would invariably lose the next, almost as if he had to do it to get angry at himself and pysche himself up. Then he would get it together again and play the most magnificent shots.

I can see that in Murray too, but he doesn't have the same ability to really turn a match around once it starts to get beyond him.

I agree with you apart from the last part, his match against Gasquet last year at Wimbledon showed he has great fighting spirit.

I still think he'll win 3 or 4 slams.

Not sure tbh. I think the will is undoubtedly there but that extra talent isn't.

The big question is whether he is now at his peak, talent and fitness wise, or whether it is still to be developed. 22 may seem young, but a tennis player's career can be over by their late 20's.

Very true, especially nowadays.

I only see two real problems in Murray's game, his second serve and he's sometimes nowhere near attacking enough, should come to the net more.

As Becker was saying today, Murray should have been grabbing the initiative much more than he did. Yet he allowed Roddick's service game to dominate. Maybe he was, after all, a little inhibited by the media pressure and that played into Roddick's hands.

But Murray seemed to just deflate.

I like the lad, and I hope he isn't yet the finished article.

 

[mackenzie]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

Murray will never be a "great" Bigga.

He just hasn't got that final element to his game.

Even Sue Barker managed to win the French Open at a time when there were many good ladies about. She was never a "great" either.

That'll be because she only won the one title!

Are you saying that if Murray goes on to win 4 or 5 titles, he still won't be considered a 'great' Briton because he lacks 'that final element'?? Even though he learns from each defeat about the style of his opponent?

The argument is invalid because he won't win 4 or 5 titles.

I would love it if he did believe me.

 

[jimharri]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

Murray will never be a "great" Bigga.

He just hasn't got that final element to his game.

Even Sue Barker managed to win the French Open at a time when there were many good ladies about. She was never a "great" either.

That'll be because she only won the one title!

Are you saying that if Murray goes on to win 4 or 5 titles, he still won't be considered a 'great' Briton because he lacks 'that final element'?? Even though he learns from each defeat about the style of his opponent?

If you think he can go on and achieve what the likes of Connors, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl (granted, not on grass), Becker, Edberg, Sampras and Federer (all TRUE greats), then fair play to you. I don't think (repeat, think) he will. No-one knows for sure Bigga; not you and certainly not me. I can only give my best guess going on what I have seen. To me, he doesn't have that bit of extra special talent to be a multiple slam winner (my definition of a 'great')

 

[Bigga]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

Murray will never be a "great" Bigga.

He just hasn't got that final element to his game.

Even Sue Barker managed to win the French Open at a time when there were many good ladies about. She was never a "great" either.

That'll be because she only won the one title!

Are you saying that if Murray goes on to win 4 or 5 titles, he still won't be considered a 'great' Briton because he lacks 'that final element'?? Even though he learns from each defeat about the style of his opponent?

The argument is invalid because he won't win 4 or 5 titles.

I would love it if he did believe me.

I'll answer your point and Jim's together...

Your argument about a 'lack of greatness' is as invalid as my own future possibility of Murray's status! As I've said, he's on a huge learning curve and doesn't seem to make repeated mistakes too often. the fact that Feds find the man difficult to play against, just shows that Murray does, in fact, change up his game during play or in consecutive meetings, making him difficult to pin down. I would think this has enabled Murray to win tour titles over Feds and Nadal and get to rank number 4, in the world, vying with Djokevic for number 3.

Next year, if his present learning curve continues, he'll be jostling with Nadal for number 1.

Less of the cute stuff and being more ruthless will see that happen.

Mark my words.

 

[jimharri]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

I hope you're right Bigga, I really do. I just can't see him winning more than one grand slam, if he's lucky. Look at Goran Ivanisevic; a fantastic tennis player on his day (better than Murray), but only with the one grand slam win to show for it. Therefore, using my own rule of thumb (multiple G.S wins), Ivanisevic was not a great. Now it's up to Murray to prove me wrong. Over to him.

 

[BingoBango]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

I suspect if Federer had the choice of who to play in the final, he would have gone for Roddick as Murray mixes things up a bit more.

As for Bigga's point about Nadal, I can't see Rafa lasting beyond another 4/5 years. The effort he puts in and the intensity he plays at is already putting the strain on his knees and ankles. I worry he'll be burn brightly but quickly.

 

[Bigga]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

I suspect if Federer had the choice of who to play in the final, he would have gone for Roddick as Murray mixes things up a bit more.

As for Bigga's point about Nadal, I can't see Rafa lasting beyond another 4/5 years. The effort he puts in and the intensity he plays at is already putting the strain on his knees and ankles. I worry he'll be burn brightly but quickly.

Good point on Nadal.

It's been a mooted theory over the past year and, perhaps, it's coming to pass. However, it doesn't mean he can't adapt his style and get more years from his body.

As a side note, Sharapova will have to do the same if she wants to get back to the top.

 

[davymcfc]

Re: Will murray win wimbledon?

maybe my point was proven today. even if feds or nadal dont win. i dont think murray or any brit has the bottle to win when it comes to the bigtime!