Will they fire Mancini?

[jay_mcfc]

I think the point is that we're 4 years into the project. I think both the owners and the supporters are entitled to start expecting a little more than we saw in Swansea and in Lisbon from the players as well as the coaching staff.

Look at it another way - you're Sheikh Mansour sat at home watching Swansea v City. You think when it ends, he shrugs his shoulders and moves onto his next job of the day, or do you think he calls Khaldoun and asks him why the fuck these clowns he's paying hundreds of millions for and to are being outplayed, outfought, and outclassed by Swansea ?

The Cabal are being extremely devilish today. Of course Swansea and Lisbon were not acceptable and if the good Sheikh watched those games then he won't feel good about them. But this season has been immense and in every way we are so much better than last year. Yes we seem to have given the ascendency away but it doesn't mean we can't win the league and even if we don't we have shown enough progress to suggest we will next year.

The season didn't start and end with the last two games.

 

[Anonymous]

Look at it another way - you're Sheikh Mansour sat at home watching Swansea v City. You think when it ends, he shrugs his shoulders and moves onto his next job of the day, or do you think he calls Khaldoun and asks him why the fuck these clowns he's paying hundreds of millions for and to are being outplayed, outfought, and outclassed by Swansea ?

I thought he logged onto the post-match thread on here first...

Are you kidding ? He's seen the way you moderaters operate on match days so he steers well clear .... ;)

 

[Soulboy]

And some of us see the "project" as being a long-term investment by ADUG and expect success to be evolutionary rather than revolutionary and that consequently progress should be expected to be incremental rather than instantaneous.

The big word here is "progress".

Last season we made progress by winning the FA Cup and finishing third (goal difference meant we were "joint second").

If this season we win no Cups and still finish second, is that really progress?

It's all if's and but's... however, failure to win the league from our position has to be seen as a measure of failure.

Oh, and that is not a Mancini Out cry by the way...

Personally I wouldn't see finishing 2nd within spitting distance of United as failure, disappointing yes but definite progress from last season when whether you call it joint 2nd or 3rd we were never really in contention.

We were never in contention?

Had we won both games against the rags we would have been level on points with them at the end of the season!

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

For me, outside of his general likeability, I am always left with the impending feeling that Bobby is all too quick to find excuses rather than finding solutions.

I am currently asking the question how much further must/can he improve upon, should we miss out on title, to a United team who their own fans will tell you have been crap and riddled with injuries?

United will represent a greater challenge next time around, because Ferguson will ensure it.

I have my doubts Bobby would have it in him to pick us up to the extent we would require to avoid a repeat disappointment.

This club is still all about impetus and momentum at this stage in the project.

 

[lancs blue]

The big word here is "progress".

Last season we made progress by winning the FA Cup and finishing third (goal difference meant we were "joint second").

If this season we win no Cups and still finish second, is that really progress?

It's all if's and but's... however, failure to win the league from our position has to be seen as a measure of failure.

Oh, and that is not a Mancini Out cry by the way...

Personally I wouldn't see finishing 2nd within spitting distance of United as failure, disappointing yes but definite progress from last season when whether you call it joint 2nd or 3rd we were never really in contention.

We were never in contention?

Had we won both games against the rags we would have been level on points with them at the end of the season!

And if my grandma had balls etc... ;-)

Be honest, did you ever seriously think last season that we were going to win the title?

 

[Soulboy]

I think the point is that we're 4 years into the project. I think both the owners and the supporters are entitled to start expecting a little more than we saw in Swansea and in Lisbon from the players as well as the coaching staff.

Look at it another way - you're Sheikh Mansour sat at home watching Swansea v City. You think when it ends, he shrugs his shoulders and moves onto his next job of the day, or do you think he calls Khaldoun and asks him why the fuck these clowns he's paying hundreds of millions for and to are being outplayed, outfought, and outclassed by Swansea ?

The Cabal are being extremely devilish today. Of course Swansea and Lisbon were not acceptable and if the good Sheikh watched those games then he won't feel good about them. But this season has been immense and in every way we are so much better than last year. Yes we seem to have given the ascendency away but it doesn't mean we can't win the league and even if we don't we have shown enough progress to suggest we will next year.

The season didn't start and end with the last two games.

But this isn't about the last two games.

We have been turgid for months now.

When was the last time we played well away from home in the league? Against the rags?

Even at home, I'm struggling to think of a convincing performance this side of New Year.

Many on here chastise the rags for their ability to win games without impressing... but we've been doing the same as well these past few months!

 

[Anonymous]

I think the point is that we're 4 years into the project. I think both the owners and the supporters are entitled to start expecting a little more than we saw in Swansea and in Lisbon from the players as well as the coaching staff.

Look at it another way - you're Sheikh Mansour sat at home watching Swansea v City. You think when it ends, he shrugs his shoulders and moves onto his next job of the day, or do you think he calls Khaldoun and asks him why the fuck these clowns he's paying hundreds of millions for and to are being outplayed, outfought, and outclassed by Swansea ?

The Cabal are being extremely devilish today. Of course Swansea and Lisbon were not acceptable and if the good Sheikh watched those games then he won't feel good about them. But this season has been immense and in every way we are so much better than last year. Yes we seem to have given the ascendency away but it doesn't mean we can't win the league and even if we don't we have shown enough progress to suggest we will next year.

The season didn't start and end with the last two games.

Check my posts from yesterday after the match. You'll see quite clearly that I'm pretty calm about our chances of winning the league as it's in our hands. I'm also absolutely in agreement that our progress under Mancini particularly this season has been immense.

However I note that you have ignored pretty much every post made by people suggesting that a change in Mancini's approach to away matches may have something to do with our downturn in form.

If I can be arsed later tonight I'm going to do some little videos illustrating the difference in terms of how quickly our fullbacks were getting forward earlier in the season and how that has changed in the last few months.

Regarding my post about the Sheikh, I know it sounds a little abrasive but it's not meant to be. It's just that I can't imagine finishing 2nd is going to please him when we've been top for nearly the entire season.

 

[jay_mcfc]

I am currently asking the question how much further must/can he improve upon, should we miss out on title, to a United team who their own fans will tell you have been crap and riddled with injuries?

Why do City fans keep coming up with this nonsense? Regardless of what anyone thinks of their squad/injuries, it is their points total that matters. If they are as bad as we and them keep saying then Ferguson deserves, er a knighthood (arf!), if they win the league with the kind of points tally they will be looking at getting from here.

 

[Soulboy]

Personally I wouldn't see finishing 2nd within spitting distance of United as failure, disappointing yes but definite progress from last season when whether you call it joint 2nd or 3rd we were never really in contention.

We were never in contention?

Had we won both games against the rags we would have been level on points with them at the end of the season!

And if my grandma had balls etc... ;-)

Be honest, did you ever seriously think last season that we were going to win the title?

Yes, of course.

Had we won at the swamp near the end of the season, we might very well have gone on... but we didn't. And that was that. But too often we played like we were going for a Championms League place rather than to win the thing.

A bit more bravery last season and we genuinely could have won it.

Too many lily livered Blues on here worn down by the rags success over the years that we are now happy to be just nearer their coat tails than used to be the case.

 

[waspish]

If we fail to win the league this season?

Mancini has changed my mind on him and I love the bloke now where as I had my doubts before. I know we wasn't really expecting to win the title this season but having been in such a strong position for so long we have now thrown it away and I can only think that if we fail to win the league then he is a goner.

With Mourinho lurking and presumably seeking a move back to England then maybe the owners will make it happen?

One thing is guarenteed if we sign mourinho... We will win league titles... However long he stays is another matter but we will have lots and lots of silverware.

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