with the CL draw almost upon us

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NipHolmes said:
franksinatra said:
Caveman said:
I think he did.

Ribery didn't have one bad game from what I saw of München, which was a lot last season in their league, cup and the CL. Messi wasn't himself last season, still amazing at times, but he was injured for the last part of the season and was either anonymous (Milan home and away, München away) or played 15 minute cameos here and there in La Liga.

Yes 60 goals in 50 appearances worth of cameos. Ribery is not in the same league.

Exactly.

Robert was good but so was Robben

When Inter won the treble Sneijder was better than either of the above and was star player for Hollan won were runners up in the World Cup, still Messi finished ahead of him.

That was the Ballon d'Or - not UEFA player of the year as that did not exist then.

I am pretty sure that Messi will win the Ballon d'Or as it is voted by national team captain, coach and a media representative of all countries of the FIFA.

Robben was the B-team captain until Kroos' injury in the quarter finals against Juve. He only stuck out because of that CL winning goal - the others especially Ribery, Müller, Schweinsteiger and Lahm have done a lot more than him.

Ribery has earned it - not only because of his abilities - but apart from showing tricks etc. he has learned in the recent 3 years to really work for the team on and off the field. I know that a lot are in the FIFA-mode were it is best to show tricks and where goals count most - but there is more about football than that.
 
lancs blue said:
Jumanji said:
Колобок said:
are fixtures going to be released tonight?
Read they will be drawn tomorrow behind closed doors.

Can anyone else confirm?

Previously it's been a computer run to decide the dates based on TV and other considerations, usually announced a few hours after the draw.
Its running late as it took Billy Mcneil over a hour to open the balls.
 
squirtyflower said:
Fanny Fart said:
Jumanji said:
Read they will be drawn tomorrow behind closed doors.

Can anyone else confirm?


Not heard that rambo, last 2 years they've already been annouced by this time though
seven o'clock last year, you're right

^^^
As 10 minutes later i booked both flights to Madrid and Dormund
 
Found this fixture list on twitter

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