Wolves (A) | PL | Post-Match Thread

Jonas.shaffer said:
Can I be a bit critical despite being delighted in getting all three points?

We were playing really well in the first half, so Pep decided Doku and Savinho needed to switch sides. For what? They both play far worse on their shooting foot sides. What on earth is Gundo/Kovacic giving us that McAtee/Nunes are incapable of? Why is Haaland above being substituted? He was a complete net negative and looked utterly uninterested. Teams have been cutting through our midfield and getting at our backline at ease all season. Poor recruitment and the loss of Bobb and Rodri make me think this is going to be a long, frustrating season. I hope I’m wrong.
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Simple answer is Pep has won everything you haven't
 
Who called the offside, I watched MOTD2, there is no flag and the referee does not indicate offside that I can see, it takes O’Neill 30 seconds to protest then after that you can clearly se the 4th official asking about offside. So who is making these decisions? Has the 4th official asked for the check? Has VAR checked it prior as I would think with every goal? Who is running the game?
 
Keeper! said:
To be fair he is the best finisher in the world and the way we use him in games like yesterday is shocking for me.

He needs the ball in early, get the defenders on the back foot, again yesterday we reverted to been so slow and predictable, just take a few chances, especially our two wide players.
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Whilst I agree with you how can they get the ball to him early if basically the other team doesn’t move further than 25 yards from their goal? There was only two occasions where we could break away, one Gundogan didn’t see the pass on (similar to the one Rico created a few weeks ago) and then near the end when a ball over the top he collected. Personally like the Arsenal game I think Haaland should come further out onto the edge of the box, then the defenders have a conundrum do they follow him out leaving space in the centre or stay and allow him to be shooting at the edge, for me we need to think out the box now so to speak. We got lucky in the end yesterday, we are going to face this against nearly every team bar Liverpool, Chelsea and possibly Arsenal away.
I get the switch of the wingers to try and get crosses into Haaland second half but both of them are crap crossers of the ball, I’d favour overlapping the wingers so Lewis isn’t crowding the already congested midfield but going beyond Savinho the same with Guardiol on the other side.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Whilst I agree with you how can they get the ball to him early if basically the other team doesn’t move further than 25 yards from their goal? There was only two occasions where we could break away, one Gundogan didn’t see the pass on (similar to the one Rico created a few weeks ago) and then near the end when a ball over the top he collected. Personally like the Arsenal game I think Haaland should come further out onto the edge of the box, then the defenders have a conundrum do they follow him out leaving space in the centre or stay and allow him to be shooting at the edge, for me we need to think out the box now so to speak. We got lucky in the end yesterday, we are going to face this against nearly every team bar Liverpool, Chelsea and possibly Arsenal away.
I get the switch of the wingers to try and get crosses into Haaland second half but both of them are crap crossers of the ball, I’d favour overlapping the wingers so Lewis isn’t crowding the already congested midfield but going beyond Savinho the same with Guardiol on the other side.
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Because our passing is so slow and predictable, our cb's have the ball more than any other player.

Doki and Savio, get past the full back and get the ball in the box as fast as possible, the only way to feed the big fella up front.
 
Keeper! said:
To be fair he is the best finisher in the world and the way we use him in games like yesterday is shocking for me.

He needs the ball in early, get the defenders on the back foot, again yesterday we reverted to been so slow and predictable, just take a few chances, especially our two wide players.
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Yesterday reminded me a lot of the title winning season under Mancini. We spent a lot of time in games that season camped around the opponents goal area. Inevitably one of our little goal scoring technicians would fashion something. I agree that at times Haaland's strengths aren't being utilised enough and this is partly due to a lack of service.
 
Keeper! said:
Because our passing is so slow and predictable, our cb's have the ball more than any other player.

Doki and Savio, get past the full back and get the ball in the box as fast as possible, the only way to feed the big fella up front.
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Ye but they have the ball 25 yards out and there’s 20 players in front of them, as for the two wingers, they play inverted so rarely go on the outside to cross across for him to come onto, it’s more of a cross towards goal hoping for a flick on into the net. What we need if they are going outside is someone to be arriving late at the penalty spot for a pull back as Haaland rarely goes near post, so if the ball doesn’t get to him then someone coming in has a chance. I agree the ball needs to be moved quicker by all the players but the seem to want to thread the eye of a needle for a goal when there that many around the,.
 
stan bowles said:
Wolves aren't a little club at all. They've got as rich and proud a history as we have.
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Very true.

By the time of our takeover in 2008, City and Wolves had won the same amount of major trophies.

Wolves had won more league titles (3:2), we’d won the same amount of FA Cups (4:4) and the same amount of EFL Cups (2:2), beating us in one of those finals. Where they’d won one more league title, we’d won the European Cup Winners’ Cup.

They’d also got got the UEFA Cup final in 1972, ECWC semifinal in 1961 and the European Cup quarter final in 1960. And you could argue that Wolves were one of the major reasons why the European Cup/Champions League exists due to their idea of installling floodlights at their ground and playing midweek friendlies against teams from around Europe.
 
Obviously very happy with the win, but the ‘decision’ by Attwell to ask the ref to go to the monitor was an absolute farce.

The media have jumped on it now and collectively decided that Bernie (all 5 foot four of him and 9 stone dripping wet) backing in to the keeper briefly before the corner came curling in somehow impeded the keeper.

What a joke!!!

I don’t know how many times this season I’ve seen Eddie surrounded by players who are not the slightest bit interested in the ball (yes you Arsenal) and whose sole purpose is to shove and block Eddie from getting to the ball from a corner. Is any of that referred to VAR? Of course not.

Atwell has to be one of the biggest cheats going around and that referral to ask the ref to the monitor was just plain disgusting.

Luckily for us the ref overruled Atwell. Otherwise it would have been the biggest injustice of the season.
 
Blue Maverick said:
Ye but they have the ball 25 yards out and there’s 20 players in front of them, as for the two wingers, they play inverted so rarely go on the outside to cross across for him to come onto, it’s more of a cross towards goal hoping for a flick on into the net. What we need if they are going outside is someone to be arriving late at the penalty spot for a pull back as Haaland rarely goes near post, so if the ball doesn’t get to him then someone coming in has a chance. I agree the ball needs to be moved quicker by all the players but the seem to want to thread the eye of a needle for a goal when there that many around the,.
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We want to score the perfect goal far too often.

Reminds me of Arsenal under Wenger, sometimes just take chances, mix it up, just look at the Wolves goal, simple passes and runners from deep.
 
Mark Clattenburg: “Chris Kavanagh was completely correct in making sure Man City´s winner stood. Yes, Bernardo Silva was in an offside position when John Stones crashed his header beyond Jose Sa, but there’s more to it.
“Pose yourself the same questions Kavanagh will have asked himself at the monitor. Firstly, was Silva blocking Sa’s line of vision? No, he’s dived out of the way to make sure of that. Secondly, does Silva impact Sa’s ability to play the ball at the precise moment Stones makes contact? Again, no, as the header goes straight through the goalkeeper.
“It was telling there were no protests from Sa or any Wolves players. It was only once Gary O’Neil and his staff watched the replay that they hoped to find a reason - any reason - to get the goal disallowed…”
 
Regardless of imo being the correct decision, I think Gary O’Neill showed a lot of class after the game. His team have just conceded a 95th minute goal in what he considered controversial. He Went and shook every city players hand, pulled his players away from the ref. Many other manager would have kicked off with the manager, gone mad at the ref, including pep.
 
jollylescott said:
Obviously very happy with the win, but the ‘decision’ by Attwell to ask the ref to go to the monitor was an absolute farce.

The media have jumped on it now and collectively decided that Bernie (all 5 foot four of him and 9 stone dripping wet) backing in to the keeper briefly before the corner came curling in somehow impeded the keeper.

What a joke!!!

I don’t know how many times this season I’ve seen Eddie surrounded by players who are not the slightest bit interested in the ball (yes you Arsenal) and whose sole purpose is to shove and block Eddie from getting to the ball from a corner. Is any of that referred to VAR? Of course not.

Atwell has to be one of the biggest cheats going around and that referral to ask the ref to the monitor was just plain disgusting.

Luckily for us the ref overruled Atwell. Otherwise it would have been the biggest injustice of the season.
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Attwell actually advised the ref to go the monitor to GIVE the goal.

The on pitch decision was offside. No goal!!
 
Blue Maverick said:
Who called the offside, I watched MOTD2, there is no flag and the referee does not indicate offside that I can see, it takes O’Neill 30 seconds to protest then after that you can clearly se the 4th official asking about offside. So who is making these decisions? Has the 4th official asked for the check? Has VAR checked it prior as I would think with every goal? Who is running the game?
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I think you've answered your own question; the 4th official asked about offside.
VAR checks every goal so it's clear they were happy, and called Kavanagh to the monitor to confirm it was a goal. Actually, VAR probably called LBW or touchdown as Atwell was in charge.
 
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