Work For Dole

[Anonymous]

I like you Ban but you post some poor stuff concerning politics man.

care to explain why you think that?

i cannot understand what people thinks wrong with it? if you're completely fit, able and sane to work and you haven't done so in 2 years then a bit of community service will do you some good.

if i was in a situation where i couldn't work i'd like to do that, at least i'd feel like i'm contributing and it would get me out of the house.

it obviously needs to be looked at properly and peoples circumstances reviewed.... i said it's a great idea, i didn't say whether the tories will do it right or not.

I'll give you an example of a lad I knew at college. He ended up going to Uni and studying Graphic Design and then achieved his goal as becoming a Graphic designer. He worked there for a year but then the company was declared bankrupt and he was made redundant. He immediately went in search of a new job in that field. 3 months later no luck so he signed on because he had no money. Another month later he started applying for retail and office jobs 6 months later no luck. He ended up at an unregulated call centre where his job description was pretty much to scam people, he developed acute anxiety and left and signed back on the dole. He's now moved back in with his parents getting just job seekers, still suffering from acute anxiety and hardly ever goes out to socialise anymore but yeah I'm sure doing some litter picking for a slave wage will restore pride, I'm sure that's just what the doctor ordered. Has he failed the system or has the system failed him?

I was on the dole for a good 3 months at one point, I have a good education and experience in different types of jobs but struggled to get in the door anywhere apart from telesales. I was treated like scum and the job centre and made to do ridiculous degrading things at jobs interviews for poxy jobs like JJB Sports. Another person would of become depressed and given up all together and can you blame them?

The government are happy to enforce this but still won't discuss enforcing a living wage? Instead they force disabled people off their benefits and the working poor lap this up while the rich/elite get off scot free.

Perhaps you don't have the time to do the research but you will understand what this government is trying to do.

i would rather pick up dogshit for £3 an hour than not work at all.

here's an example for you, i got taxed £150 this month which is about 2 days work on my current pay. so I've worked 2 days this month for nothing essentially. i'm a team leader in a call centre, where i worked on the phone for 2 years before getting a promotion, yes it's shit and boring from time to time but i need to pay my bills and my rent. now why the fuck should i pay tax which ends up with someone else who doesn't want to work in JJB sports or another call centre?

there's a lot of people out there that would do anything to have a job at JJB sports, i worked on minimum wage at next for a year and a half before and that's shit, i also lifted bricks all day when i was in between work and i'm not a big guy so it was back breaking at times. i handed out leaflets for a curry house, i did my families gardens up for a bit of cash, i did all sorts so i didn't have to go on the dole or get money from my parents.

there's people that work full time at places like JJB who are paying into the system for these graduate student types who think they are above places like JJB so would rather do fuck all instead.

disabled people (and mentally disabled people) who are proven to be by a doctor, single parents and other people who cannot work are obviously exempt but if a fit and healthy 25 year old who is doing nothing and sitting on his couch all day, then a few hours a week in a local park helping out isn't going to do him any harm.

maybe it's just me, maybe i'm too proud to sit on my arse and take cash.

i'm not saying the tories will do it right, i'm saying i believe that it's a good idea in theory. oh and the rich who are evading taxes want to be held to accounts to, there's a lot wrong with this country at the moment.

 

[Barcon]

The authorities should do their jobs and arrest the man.

If they arrested him and banged him up for a good length of time, there'd be outrage by some who'd complain about his human rights.

If you are mugging old people you should be detained and put into prison and serve the selected sentence. Anyway I'm not sure what this guy you live by has to do with the thread. He wouldn't be effected by the measures they are not for him.

He doesn't have a job. Instead of sitting home all day slinging dope, he would be fishing old rubbers out of the canal.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I'd love 30 mins on a TV show with one of these politicians were the couldn't flannel an answer it would have to be yes or no. No bullshit rhetoric no weaselling out of answers, I want to see these bastards squirm, whether it's Tory, Labour or monster raving looney party. Just for once I want a straight fucking answer at why they are letting corporations away with daylight robbery while the rest of us in public and private sector are been royally fucked over through no fault of our own.

 

[cyberblue]

This is beyond belief in 2013 .the vast Majority of unemployed people want a job .There are thousands of well qualified people looking for jobs & they cant get them .do you really think it a good use of resources for a qualified acountant for eg to spend his time picking up liter or cleaning graffiti or cooking meals for old people ? If these jobs need doing advertise them in the right way .

 

[bgblue]

I'd love 30 mins on a TV show with one of these politicians were the couldn't flannel an answer it would have to be yes or no. No bullshit rhetoric no weaselling out of answers, I want to see these bastards squirm, whether it's Tory, Labour or monster raving looney party. Just for once I want a straight fucking answer at why they are letting corporations away with daylight robbery while the rest of us in public and private sector are been royally fucked over through no fault of our own.

Sounds like they would have to have a delay on the broadcast, to insert a lot of bleeps to cover the swearing :)

 

[Indestructable]

This one seem s such a no brainer that i can't understand why it hasn't been in place for years.

 

[cyberblue]

This is going to be the hardest post i've ever written on this forum, please bare with me. I also don't expect some of you to understand or agree with me either, but that's ok.

I'm 33 just turned and i've been out of work since late 2010. I left my last job because i was on a 4 hour a week contract and some months i was earning less than i was paying in expenses. After a couple of months signing on i was put on the governments Work Program at a place called "Inspire2Independence." It was a typical office environment, but it was run by people who cared about nothing but hitting their monthly targets. They were throwing people through a jobs mincer on zero hour, unsustainable jobs, so it looked like the figures were right. Naturally the same faces came through the door time and again just to be thrown back into the grinder. Before i knew it 6 months had passed. All the while i was going stir crazy. My mental health started to deteriorate rapidly. I had no idea what was happening to me, neither did my doctor.

The people at "I2I" (as they liked to be known) didn't want to know, they just told me to "sign here" then ushered me out the door.... See you in a fortnight. This was the lowest period of my entire life. I thought i was going insane. I contemplated suicide on a near daily basis, only the thought of how it would effect my family kept me alive. 2 years had passed, no work, no hope, no explanation as to what was wrong with me from various health professionals.

As of August this year i have completed the work program and i am now back with the job center, going round in circles. My GP believes i have suffered numerous "Severe depressive episodes" over the last 3 years and i have been diagnosed with clinical depression. Now i know people who also suffer from this and through the correct medication they have some normality in their lives. They can hold down work and live quite happily. But so far i am yet to find any medication that helps me. It has effected my life in every aspect. I pretty much couldn't care less about any of the things i used to love doing. In fact the only thing that even slightly interests me these days is our beloved Manchester City.

The very thought of going to work and having to deal with other human beings utterly terrifies me. i have explained this to my doctor, but in all fairness, it's not his department. I tried to explain it to the job center staff, they simply told me i can sign off if i'm unfit to look for work. They do not think i qualify for incapacity benefit. The idea that i might be on the scrap heap at 33 is killing me, But to top it all off i now have George Osborn telling me i will have no choice but to go out and pick shit up off the streets for less than a 3rd of minimum wage. I'm not sure what i will do.

All the time i was at I2I, i got a feel for those who was abusing the system (why on earth you would for the pittance they get is beyond me) and those long term unemployed who were in pretty bad shape, Mentally, Physically and emotionally... Not fit to work, But not quite eligible to claim incapacity benefit... For every scrounger i saw at least 5 of those kind of poor souls.

Finally i would like to point out how clever the Torys are being in using the media to rile up the hard working poor people of Great Britain. We all know the real enemy are the massive corporate tax dodgers like Google and Starbucks, Camerons banker chums who are getting their obscene bonuses returned to them on the sly, out of the public eye. But they are untouchable to the common man. So hey, look at the long term scroungers over there pissing away your tax money for free. Pitting the poor against the poorest... If they only knew.

Sorry for the long rant.

Don tbe sorry it was very moving please send Osborne a copy 2nd thoughts dont bother the bas*ard has no compassion<br /><br />-- Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:55 pm --<br /><br />

This one seem s such a no brainer that i can't understand why it hasn't been in place for years.

Because it is an ill thought out publicity stunt which will not work but sounds good to the right wing press

 

[Mike D]

So they propose to spunk hundreds of millions of pounds getting workshy scrotums off their backsides at least for their fat dole cheque. Cool. Someone please remind me how much money was frittered away by Iain Duncan Smith on the "work programme" which has had an amazing less than three percent success rate! [Citation needed] I do believe it is in the billions. Billions of pounds of YOUR money flushed away.

And that is the root the problem you have idiots like IDS (thats actually Osborne's own description of him) reinventing the wheel spunking money on their own vanity failed projects. I'm not leaving labour out of this (before my one eyed friend jumps on this) because had they not had the bonkers idea of creating a one size fits all NHS IT project and spunked £7billion better off.

It just makes you wonder how they can stand there preaching the gospel to about making work pay and not giving something for nothing. The fact is that the savings could have been made if it wasn't for there own vanity projects. The cheeky fuckers need to take a long hard look at themselves evaluate the current system and why it is failing these people. Its a bit like kids failing exams and instead of looking at the school punishing the kids for the schools failures.

 

[harry the plumber]

care to explain why you think that?

i cannot understand what people thinks wrong with it? if you're completely fit, able and sane to work and you haven't done so in 2 years then a bit of community service will do you some good.

if i was in a situation where i couldn't work i'd like to do that, at least i'd feel like i'm contributing and it would get me out of the house.

it obviously needs to be looked at properly and peoples circumstances reviewed.... i said it's a great idea, i didn't say whether the tories will do it right or not.

I'll give you an example of a lad I knew at college. He ended up going to Uni and studying Graphic Design and then achieved his goal as becoming a Graphic designer. He worked there for a year but then the company was declared bankrupt and he was made redundant. He immediately went in search of a new job in that field. 3 months later no luck so he signed on because he had no money. Another month later he started applying for retail and office jobs 6 months later no luck. He ended up at an unregulated call centre where his job description was pretty much to scam people, he developed acute anxiety and left and signed back on the dole. He's now moved back in with his parents getting just job seekers, still suffering from acute anxiety and hardly ever goes out to socialise anymore but yeah I'm sure doing some litter picking for a slave wage will restore pride, I'm sure that's just what the doctor ordered. Has he failed the system or has the system failed him?

I was on the dole for a good 3 months at one point, I have a good education and experience in different types of jobs but struggled to get in the door anywhere apart from telesales. I was treated like scum and the job centre and made to do ridiculous degrading things at jobs interviews for poxy jobs like JJB Sports. Another person would of become depressed and given up all together and can you blame them?

The government are happy to enforce this but still won't discuss enforcing a living wage? Instead they force disabled people off their benefits and the working poor lap this up while the rich/elite get off scot free.

Perhaps you don't have the time to do the research but you will understand what this government is trying to do.

i would rather pick up dogshit for £3 an hour than not work at all.

here's an example for you, i got taxed £150 this month which is about 2 days work on my current pay. so I've worked 2 days this month for nothing essentially. i'm a team leader in a call centre, where i worked on the phone for 2 years before getting a promotion, yes it's shit and boring from time to time but i need to pay my bills and my rent. now why the fuck should i pay tax which ends up with someone else who doesn't want to work in JJB sports or another call centre?

there's a lot of people out there that would do anything to have a job at JJB sports, i worked on minimum wage at next for a year and a half before and that's shit, i also lifted bricks all day when i was in between work and i'm not a big guy so it was back breaking at times. i handed out leaflets for a curry house, i did my families gardens up for a bit of cash, i did all sorts so i didn't have to go on the dole or get money from my parents.

there's people that work full time at places like JJB who are paying into the system for these graduate student types who think they are above places like JJB so would rather do fuck all instead.

disabled people (and mentally disabled people) who are proven to be by a doctor, single parents and other people who cannot work are obviously exempt but if a fit and healthy 25 year old who is doing nothing and sitting on his couch all day, then a few hours a week in a local park helping out isn't going to do him any harm.

maybe it's just me, maybe i'm too proud to sit on my arse and take cash.

i'm not saying the tories will do it right, i'm saying i believe that it's a good idea in theory. oh and the rich who are evading taxes want to be held to accounts to, there's a lot wrong with this country at the moment.

Don`t worry about your £150. It`s just bought George and Daves first bottle of wine tonight.

 

[SWP's back]

If there is a real need for roadsweepers, litter pickers, rubbish removal etc etc then why don't the council employ extra people to do it?

Why bother when we are all paying for it?

Great idea and speech.