Work For Dole

[Joycee Banercheck]

its too long

You'll have to shorten it then ....

s'long

 

[Anonymous]

i would rather pick up dogshit for £3 an hour than not work at all.

here's an example for you, i got taxed £150 this month which is about 2 days work on my current pay. so I've worked 2 days this month for nothing essentially. i'm a team leader in a call centre, where i worked on the phone for 2 years before getting a promotion, yes it's shit and boring from time to time but i need to pay my bills and my rent. now why the fuck should i pay tax which ends up with someone else who doesn't want to work in JJB sports or another call centre?

there's a lot of people out there that would do anything to have a job at JJB sports, i worked on minimum wage at next for a year and a half before and that's shit, i also lifted bricks all day when i was in between work and i'm not a big guy so it was back breaking at times. i handed out leaflets for a curry house, i did my families gardens up for a bit of cash, i did all sorts so i didn't have to go on the dole or get money from my parents.

there's people that work full time at places like JJB who are paying into the system for these graduate student types who think they are above places like JJB so would rather do fuck all instead.

disabled people (and mentally disabled people) who are proven to be by a doctor, single parents and other people who cannot work are obviously exempt but if a fit and healthy 25 year old who is doing nothing and sitting on his couch all day, then a few hours a week in a local park helping out isn't going to do him any harm.

maybe it's just me, maybe i'm too proud to sit on my arse and take cash.

i'm not saying the tories will do it right, i'm saying i believe that it's a good idea in theory. oh and the rich who are evading taxes want to be held to accounts to, there's a lot wrong with this country at the moment.

Well fucking said.

No it's not. The whole point was avoided.

The lad tried getting work and the comment I made about JJB was justified.

I'm saying the scheme is ridiculous. The reply from Ban just says how proud he is to of worked all his life. My point was completely avoided.

your point made it come across as you were too good for JJB sports. i was trying to say that no-one should think they're too good if they are unemployed and fully able to work.

it's unfortunate about your mate, and if a doctor says he's unfit for work then i'm happy to pay tax and for it to go to him.

 

[shootmeifipost10k]

Haven't we been listening to the same bullshit by all political parties over the past 40 years.


The most remarkable thing is we the public vote the fuckers back in again.

Well what do we do? I agree with all you say, but where do we go? We've had that sack of liars, we tried the old lying bastards again, but what now?

The probable truth is, in fairness with each passing government they have little or less control on unemployment figures.

We now live in an interlinked world economy and no manner of schemes and plans they come up with are liable to work while the world economy is like it is now.

We have also globally become to good at simply making or doing everything for less man hours through technology or using new technology. Unemployment as risen globally over the past 20 years, the only places were figures are going down now is in some what were 3rd world countries 10-15 year ago.

So for all my little rant I have no answer to it but neither do the people we put into power. Yet they are listening to the same policy advisers and think tanks who have been saying the same thing for 40 years.

The only difference is if I threw pots of money at something and it didn't work at some point I'd hold my hands up and stop trying.

 

[Skashion]

Are those in favour of this going to place a limit on what type of work they think ought to be done? Are we happy to let any work be done? We already know the outcome of these sorts of schemes. If employers can get away with paying £1,75 an hour, they will do, and many jobs currently being done for an actual wage will be replaced.

Apart from our own experience with extremely low-paid labour and exploitation via work placement schemes, look at the American experience with the prison-industrial complex: <a class="postlink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison</a>–industrial_complex

How many people who would have been employed to do a job, are now living on welfare whilst some corporation sees their profits grow on the back of ultra-low cost labour being done by someone locked up for drugs offences?

The only way I see positive outcomes from this is if it is a fundamental principle that it is restricted to work not yet being done. If the overgrown eyesore of a roundabout going onto the dual carriageway near my house was sorted out, I could make my peace with that. However, do I trust politicians to implement such a principle when there is a whole stack of cash to be made from private companies who would love access to a pool of very cheap labour? I'm going with no.

 

[Joycee Banercheck]

Haven't we been listening to the same bullshit by all political parties over the past 40 years.


The most remarkable thing is we the public vote the fuckers back in again.

Well what do we do? I agree with all you say, but where do we go? We've had that sack of liars, we tried the old lying bastards again, but what now?

The probable truth is, in fairness with each passing government they have little or less control on unemployment figures.

We now live in an interlinked world economy and no manner of schemes and plans they come up with are liable to work while the world economy is like it is now.

We have also globally become to good at simply making or doing everything for less man hours through technology or using new technology. Unemployment as risen globally over the past 20 years, the only places were figures are going down now is in some what were 3rd world countries 10-15 year ago.

So for all my little rant I have no answer to it but neither do the people we put into power. Yet they are listening to the same policy advisers and think tanks who have been saying the same thing for 40 years.

The only difference is if I threw pots of money at something and it didn't work at some point I'd hold my hands up and stop trying.

I honestly expected less. mate.

I'm too drunk to read this...i will though. I applaud you, and i want to give this a proper answer. reeeeeeeeeeeeespecl

 

[Dirty Harry]

Great post Skashion, tbh, in many ways this feels like another way of implementing the old YOP/YTS schemes all over again, same idea, cheap labour with fuck all at the end of it for the vast majority.


We need a war.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

This is simply a populist, ill-conceived policy to appease the Tory right and an attempt to stop the haemorrhaging of votes to UKIP, who are actually beginning to influence the coalition by osmosis.
It is fundamentally flawed logic.
One of the criteria for claiming benefit is that you are looking for paid employment 24/7.
How the fuck are you supposed to do this if you are picking up litter 8 hours a day?
It will doubtless go down well with the blue rinse brigade in the shires, but like most kneejerk vote-salvaging exercises it won't work in practice.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This is simply a populist, ill-conceived policy to appease the Tory right and an attempt to stop the haemorrhaging of votes to UKIP, who are actually beginning to influence the coalition by osmosis.
It is fundamentally flawed logic.
One of the criteria for claiming benefit is that you are looking for paid employment 24/7.
How the fuck are you supposed to do this if you are picking up litter 8 hours a day?
It will doubtless go down well with the blue rinse brigade in the shires, but like most kneejerk vote-salvaging exercises it won't work in practice.

Most of all, NF, it won't, in all probability, happen.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

This is simply a populist, ill-conceived policy to appease the Tory right and an attempt to stop the haemorrhaging of votes to UKIP, who are actually beginning to influence the coalition by osmosis.
It is fundamentally flawed logic.
One of the criteria for claiming benefit is that you are looking for paid employment 24/7.
How the fuck are you supposed to do this if you are picking up litter 8 hours a day?
It will doubtless go down well with the blue rinse brigade in the shires, but like most kneejerk vote-salvaging exercises it won't work in practice.

Don't worry about it NF, you might even enjoy the work. Will get you out of the house a bit.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

This is simply a populist, ill-conceived policy to appease the Tory right and an attempt to stop the haemorrhaging of votes to UKIP, who are actually beginning to influence the coalition by osmosis.
It is fundamentally flawed logic.
One of the criteria for claiming benefit is that you are looking for paid employment 24/7.
How the fuck are you supposed to do this if you are picking up litter 8 hours a day?
It will doubtless go down well with the blue rinse brigade in the shires, but like most kneejerk vote-salvaging exercises it won't work in practice.

Don't worry about it NF, you might even enjoy the work. Will get you out of the house a bit.

Mrs Fetlocks would probably agree with you.
I can live with it if they give me a week off for the Cheltenham Festival.