Work For Dole

[Johnsonontheleft]

You must not have read this properly.

I didn't say that everyone on JSA was a scrounger. I was asking whether people were opposed to scroungers being forced to go out and do work in the community?

I will ask again, what defines a scrounger and how do we go about defining someone as one?

I everyone who has been out of work for 2 years or more a scrounger or do you think some have been completely let down in the hunt for a meaningful well paid job?

A scrounger is someone who doesn't want to get a job, they'd rather stay at home and let the state look after them.

Are you opposed to people like this being forced to go and work?

 

[Happy Feet]

I've heard a lot of people are against this due to logistics etc, but is anyone actually opposed to the general notion of forcing scroungers to do work?

Errrrmmmmm...........Scroungers? I'm sure there are some (as reported by the Daily Fail) but the people I know who are unemployed genuinely want to find work.

And how do we expect them to find work if they are having to pick up litter / do other menial tasks / sign on every day.

Menial tasks, clown.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

Just got back from Wetherspoon's Scroungers Happy Hour.
This bonkers proposal simply won't work.
How the fuck do benefit claimants in rural areas get to sign on daily when the nearest benefit office may be 30 miles away?
It would cost more in transport costs than they get in benefits.
And nobody has yet explained how 8 hour a day litter collectors can possibly look for full time employment.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

What would actually happen if we stopped the welfare state dead for 1 year? I mean all welfare to everyone.

All I could imagine is the countries death rate going through the roof and not much else

Death rates up, crime figures going through the roof, and an even more alienated underclass.
Would you include retirement pensions in your 'final solution' proposal?
I can see that being a difficult sell, given that most tory activists are 100 years old and kept alive via ventilators.
Maybe we could make the elderly pick up litter until they die of hypothermia to save on the winter heating allowance.

Maybe I should of said something along the lines of not actually saying we should. I just wondered what it would be like, hell sounds about right, a bit more like Mexico without the sun

 

[blueinsa]

You must not have read this properly.

I didn't say that everyone on JSA was a scrounger. I was asking whether people were opposed to scroungers being forced to go out and do work in the community?

I will ask again, what defines a scrounger and how do we go about defining someone as one?

I everyone who has been out of work for 2 years or more a scrounger or do you think some have been completely let down in the hunt for a meaningful well paid job?

A scrounger is someone who doesn't want to get a job, they'd rather stay at home and let the state look after them.

Are you opposed to people like this being forced to go and work?

For £50 odd quid a week, yes as it does nothing to alter their situation and only provides slave labour at the tax payers expense to companies who already are viewing workers as people to screw over when it comes to paying a living wage to whilst probably conjuring up every excuse under the sun when it comes to shirking their own responsibility in paying their share of the tax burden.

I wonder how many of the politicians responsible for this hair brain scheme are also employed by companies best placed to benefit from this slave labour?

 

[cockneycarparkm32]

Ill thought out idea . What happened to the council workers that I was more than happy to pay toward , you know , the ones that kept the streets cleaner than what they are today . What happened to litter picking in schools as a punishment I did work at a school a few years back it was strewn with litter , the deputy head asked the site managers to keep the site clear of litter and get one of the labourers to tidy up . He turned around and told him to do one , telling him when he was at school it was a form of punishment used when he or anyone had done done wrong at school . His the deputy head`s answer " but its demeaning to the children" .
Yes , people should contribute there time for their dole money in a similar way the church and local authorities used to do in the past , but at least get people doing semi skilled work , give them something to be proud of , not punish people with work they give to folks on community service work who have committed all be it a minor crime .

This all reminds me of the mismanagement of said school . Where they allow the kids to take the piss dropping litter all over the place on the school grounds instead of educating the kids and showing them pride and retribution and restitution , something that a few of them were clearly lacking ,it all boils down to educating people . Yet the management looked for thee easiest fix . What an educated fool that man was same way these fools and their tactics . Give people the tools fools .<br /><br />-- Tue Oct 01, 2013 10:48 am --<br /><br />Ill thought out idea . What happened to the council workers that I was more than happy to pay toward , you know , the ones that kept the streets cleaner than what they are today . What happened to litter picking in schools as a punishment I did work at a school a few years back it was strewn with litter , the deputy head asked the site managers to keep the site clear of litter and get one of the labourers to tidy up . He turned around and told him to do one , telling him when he was at school it was a form of punishment used when he or anyone had done done wrong at school . His the deputy head`s answer " but its demeaning to the children" .
Yes , people should contribute there time for their dole money in a similar way the church and local authorities used to do in the past , but at least get people doing semi skilled work , give them something to be proud of , not punish people with work they give to folks on community service work who have committed all be it a minor crime .

This all reminds me of the mismanagement of said school . Where they allow the kids to take the piss dropping litter all over the place on the school grounds instead of educating the kids and showing them pride and retribution and restitution , something that a few of them were clearly lacking ,it all boils down to educating people . Yet the management looked for thee easiest fix . What an educated fool that man was same way these fools and their tactics . Give people the tools fools .

 

[paphos-mcfc]

New in Liverpool!!!

 

[Barcon]

You missed out the words, "feckless" and "work shy" ffs

Whats up? Not had your Daily Mail fix this morning yet?

Is every single person claiming JSA a scrounger or do you think its a possibility that government after government has ailed a large percentage of the population by not creating enough jobs that pay a living wage?

You must not have read this properly.

I didn't say that everyone on JSA was a scrounger. I was asking whether people were opposed to scroungers being forced to go out and do work in the community?

-- Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:52 am --

you can't just put a label on them all as Scroungers.

I didn't.

Johnsonontheleft wrote:
I've heard a lot of people are against this due to logistics etc, but is anyone actually opposed to the general notion of forcing scroungers to do work?

I must of read it wrong !

Yes, you read it wrong. You are adding the word, "all".

Here's a thought. Over here (unless it's changed) people are occasionaly required to show proof of actively seeking employment whilst collecting benefits. They need to provide a list of companys, phone numbers and the name of the person that they spoke to. If they cannot prove that they are looking for work, they get cut off.

 

[SWP's back]

i would rather pick up dogshit for £3 an hour than not work at all.

here's an example for you, i got taxed £150 this month which is about 2 days work on my current pay. so I've worked 2 days this month for nothing essentially. i'm a team leader in a call centre, where i worked on the phone for 2 years before getting a promotion, yes it's shit and boring from time to time but i need to pay my bills and my rent. now why the fuck should i pay tax which ends up with someone else who doesn't want to work in JJB sports or another call centre?

there's a lot of people out there that would do anything to have a job at JJB sports, i worked on minimum wage at next for a year and a half before and that's shit, i also lifted bricks all day when i was in between work and i'm not a big guy so it was back breaking at times. i handed out leaflets for a curry house, i did my families gardens up for a bit of cash, i did all sorts so i didn't have to go on the dole or get money from my parents.

there's people that work full time at places like JJB who are paying into the system for these graduate student types who think they are above places like JJB so would rather do fuck all instead.

disabled people (and mentally disabled people) who are proven to be by a doctor, single parents and other people who cannot work are obviously exempt but if a fit and healthy 25 year old who is doing nothing and sitting on his couch all day, then a few hours a week in a local park helping out isn't going to do him any harm.

maybe it's just me, maybe i'm too proud to sit on my arse and take cash.

i'm not saying the tories will do it right, i'm saying i believe that it's a good idea in theory. oh and the rich who are evading taxes want to be held to accounts to, there's a lot wrong with this country at the moment.

Well fucking said.

No it's not. The whole point was avoided.

The lad tried getting work and the comment I made about JJB was justified.

I'm saying the scheme is ridiculous. The reply from Ban just says how proud he is to of worked all his life. My point was completely avoided.

No it wasn't. Ban owned you.

The problem is that some people think certain work below them. I finished Uni having been to a posh school and with a degree in Economics and Geography and guess what, I had to find a shit job in a call centre. I spent two years doing shitty call centre jobs whilst I studied for industry qualifications to end up in the career I am now in. I hated it, but it was work, it enabled me to pay my bills and whilst it was well beneath my qualifications, I am fucking glad I did that rather than go on the dole, I have no gap in my cv since the age of 15 when I was a pot wash.<br /><br />-- Tue Oct 01, 2013 11:23 am --<br /><br />

This is simply a populist, ill-conceived policy to appease the Tory right and an attempt to stop the haemorrhaging of votes to UKIP, who are actually beginning to influence the coalition by osmosis.
It is fundamentally flawed logic.
One of the criteria for claiming benefit is that you are looking for paid employment 24/7.
How the fuck are you supposed to do this if you are picking up litter 8 hours a day?
It will doubtless go down well with the blue rinse brigade in the shires, but like most kneejerk vote-salvaging exercises it won't work in practice.

Because I am sure that happens.

 

[Super David Silva 21]

You must not have read this properly.

I didn't say that everyone on JSA was a scrounger. I was asking whether people were opposed to scroungers being forced to go out and do work in the community?

-- Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:52 am --



I didn't.

Johnsonontheleft wrote:
I've heard a lot of people are against this due to logistics etc, but is anyone actually opposed to the general notion of forcing scroungers to do work?

I must of read it wrong !

Yes, you read it wrong. You are adding the word, "all".

Here's a thought. Over here (unless it's changed) people are occasionaly required to show proof of actively seeking employment whilst collecting benefits. They need to provide a list of companys, phone numbers and the name of the person that they spoke to. If they cannot prove that they are looking for work, they get cut off.

As far as i'm aware you do have something called a jobseeker logbook or something that you need to take to the JC as evidence that you have been looking for work.