Work For Dole

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-dabz- said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
mackenzie said:
Why can't some understand that this is just a perceived vote winner and nothing else?
The Tories are giving out sound bites that appease their core voters; nothing more and nothing else. It won't be delivered because the suggested policy is unworkable in any way in the notion that it has been delivered. And by the next election it will have been forgotten but there will be other sound bites to entice stray voters. It's all a sham.
Wake up and smell the coffee,
Spot on Macca. It's fucking insane that folk can't (or won't) see this as the complete window dressing it is to appease all the warmed-up corpses in the Tory grass roots who are thinking of voting UKIP.

This scheme will not happen in any meaningful sense.
The sad thing is...it is no more just the tories who think like this.
Subtle programming has led to people from right across the political spectrum considering this as the way to go, while Serco ect, bumfuck us all to oblivion.
Yeah, there is an under class taking the piss, but there is also the tax dodging higher-ups getting away with far worse and you all know it but gloss over it, why?
People who get so worked up about a minority of people milking the social security system have a poor grasp on human nature imo. Human beings will always exploit any system that they are presented with -social security is no different. You can only ever manage rather than eliminate this pattern of behaviour.

The alternative is no scrounging, because there's no social security, and therefore total social breakdown. Osborne and Cameron know this all too well.
 
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
The alternative is no scrounging, because there's no social security, and therefore total social breakdown. Osborne and Cameron know this all too well.


Cameron possibly, but I dont think that Osborne has the ability to think about anything for himself.

As for those complaining about the JC Staff, a few years ago I was working in one, gave people a hard time making them apply for jobs (back then there were jobs available, unlike now). Moved into another department, and then was back in the JC environment after a promotion.
Seen one of the middle aged ladies I had given a very hard time to working in the office, was a bit concerned as to how she would react to me....a couple of days later I was sitting in the staff canteen at morning tea break she came over to me and thanked me, she had been rejected for so many jobs she had zero confidence left and was resigned to having to sign on for the rest of her days, my "ignorance" drove her forward and she secured full time employment, which in turn gave her back her self esteem.

I am sure many others on here cane relate similar stories.
 
TGR said:
Even as a self confessed, fervant right wing child of Margaret I have to say this just doesn't sit right.
Discuss:

Chancellor: 'Jobless Must Work For The Dole'

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'The long-term unemployed will have to earn their benefits by doing full-time unpaid community work from next year.
From April, people still without work after two years on the coalition's Work Programme will face three options if they want to remain on the dole.
They will have to do community work such as litter picking, visit a job centre every day or take part in compulsory training to tackle problems like illiteracy.

Those who break the rules of the new Help to Work scheme, for example by failing to turn up without a good reason, could lose their benefit for four weeks. A second offence would see them lose it for three months.

Chancellor George Osborne is unveiling the tough US-style initiative in his speech to the Tory conference, pledging to end the "something for nothing" culture.Ahead of his address, he insisted on Sky News that the policy was not a return to the Conservative "nasty party" of old - describing the move as "compassionate".

"This is not about punishment, this is about help," he stressed, but also said: "What we are saying is there is no option of doing nothing any more.
"We are saying we are going to help you into work but we are going to ask for something in return. I think it is a very compassionate approach to people who previous governments just ignored."

Amid concern that job centres will be overstretched, he added that they would have extra money to police the scheme.
The Chancellor's speech came as TNT announced it was creating 1,000 new jobs by expanding its postal delivery service.
Potentially, around 200,000 long-term Jobseeker's Allowance claimants could be eligible for the new coalition initiative.

But ministers believe the numbers on it will be significantly lower, as many of those working covertly will decide it is no longer worth trying to claim benefits and drop out.The scheme, devised by Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith, will cost around £300m - with the money likely to be found from departmental underspends.

Sky's chief political correspondent Jon Craig described the new conditions as "a tough crackdown".
Labour's shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, Rachel Reeves, said: "It's taken three wasted years of rising long-term unemployment and a failed Work Programme to come up with this new scheme.

"But this policy is not as ambitious as Labour's compulsory jobs guarantee, which would ensure there is a paid job for every young person out of work for over 12 months and every adult unemployed for more than two years."

During his speech later, Mr Osborne is not expected to unveil specific action on living standards, despite pressure to respond to Labour leader Ed Miliband's energy price freeze pledge last week.
Instead, the Chancellor will stress the need to stick with the coalition's economic plans, warning that the UK still has not fully recovered from the credit crunch.

He told Sky: "Our economic plan is helping Britain turn a corner. We have dealt with the problems we inherited, we have still got a long way to go ...

"By contrast the Labour party got us into this mess and all I hear from them is that they want more borrowing and more spending. A set of gimmicky announcements isn't going to cover up the fact that they don't have a credible economic policy."
Critics claimed the Government scheme would treat the unemployed more harshly than criminals and was just a "rehash" of plans that had already failed.

Joanna Long, from the Boycott Workfare campaign, said: "It's bad news for people who will be forced to work at far below the minimum wage - and it's terrible news for the people whose jobs they will be replacing. "This is about cutting the safety net for unemployed people, and handing something for nothing to charities, companies and councils which should be paying wages and taxes."

Graeme Cooke, from the Institute for Public Policy Research, added that the measures would probably only affect one in 20 people on the dole and warned it needed careful planning.

"The key issue is how such schemes are designed. If they give people real experience of work and the practical employability habits that go with it, they can help people be more attractive to prospective employers," he said.

"But if it is pitched as a punishment where people do menial tasks, it risks acting as a signal to employers that these are people not to employ."
But Matthew Sinclair, chief executive of the TaxPayers' Alliance, welcomed the move, insisting it was unfair to have people on benefits "for years on end".

"There is plenty of international evidence from countries such as Australia, Canada and the US that this type of scheme is not only fairer on those footing the welfare bill, but also gets people back into work," he said.'
China would jump at this head first IMO we are giving all. Our money to johny foreigner it's the British who suffer whilst the needy have nothing left thanks to the foreign sponge rs end of.
 
billfromthehill said:
China would jump at this head first IMO we are giving all. Our money to johny foreigner it's the British who suffer whilst the needy have nothing left thanks to the foreign sponge rs end of.


Sponsored by a combination of the National Front, Combat 18 and the BNP.
 
ban-mcfc said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
You'd get a similar punishment for mugging someone.

Just make sure you mug someone for more than your dole and your quids in.

you mean like benefit scroungers mugging working people by getting their taxes?













;)
Thick or what?
 
denislawsbackheel said:
Thick or what?

Quite.

I'd personally define thickness as anyone trying to push 10 unemployed people into 1 vacancy.

Like an American would say, 'you do the math'.

The whole thing is a vote winner for the scared curtain twitchers out there, in the real world people can see right through this shit.It's unworkable. Which is quite funny really.
 
law74 said:
billfromthehill said:
China would jump at this head first IMO we are giving all. Our money to johny foreigner it's the British who suffer whilst the needy have nothing left thanks to the foreign sponge rs end of.


Sponsored by a combination of the National Front, Combat 18 and the BNP.

With the help of the 'Why can't we say blackboard anymore' corporation.
 
stonerblue said:
law74 said:
billfromthehill said:
China would jump at this head first IMO we are giving all. Our money to johny foreigner it's the British who suffer whilst the needy have nothing left thanks to the foreign sponge rs end of.


Sponsored by a combination of the National Front, Combat 18 and the BNP.

With the help of the 'Why can't we say blackboard anymore' corporation.

Facilities provided by Kneejerk & jingo.
 
This country/successive governments adopted an obsession with 'targets' some two decades ago.
It has led to the Public Services, and those in the Private Sector contracted, going all out to meet those targets and nothing else. There is no foundation or real substance to the deliverance of anything approaching real results or quality. Because as long as those targets are met then the Government at the time can quote said targets.
It's all a load of shite but some buy it.
 

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