World Cup VAR

[Hart of the Matter]

That's a really easy system to operate & works well in Cricket apart from they have the stupid situation that the umpire is still correct, when he gets it wrong, if he's only 'a bit' wrong.

And whiny buffoons suffer, because they use up their challenges with stupid appeals.

But of course it would be much harder to fix games, with that system, so probably not in FIFA's best interests.

I do like the idea of an appeals system if we are to have VAR. It would still depend on the ref and how they apply the subjective 'obvious mistake' criteria. Take the Ronaldo none red as an example. Imagine if that had been reviewed based on an Iranian appeal. Did they lose that appeal? Many thought it a red. He didnt or didnt think an obvious error. Iran lose one of their appeals and are even more aggrieved. Still all boils down to competency, bravery or corruptness of the ref. VAR seems to be getting an increasing thumbs up from pundits though.

 

[Dax777]

I love VAR.... Love it!!!!

 

[caseball]

I do like the idea of an appeals system if we are to have VAR. It would still depend on the ref and how they apply the subjective 'obvious mistake' criteria. Take the Ronaldo none red as an example. Imagine if that had been reviewed based on an Iranian appeal. Did they lose that appeal? Many thought it a red. He didnt or didnt think an obvious error. Iran lose one of their appeals and are even more aggrieved. Still all boils down to competency, bravery or corruptness of the ref. VAR seems to be getting an increasing thumbs up from pundits though.

But they don't have to appeal. They can choose not to. The whole team and staff would have to sit down and sort out an approach to appeals. Some would come up with an intelligent strategy and others not. Those groups would eventually have to get smart or keep on suffering. The problem with VAR as it is, is that it is just an uberref. Cheat, woman, and moan and eventually we'll go to the big ref. By allowing the boys in the backroom to interfere behind the scenes and communicate with the ref, they undermine the ref and give the boys in the box enough oxygen to take on a life of their own. Now we're not quite sure who's running the game. Just like the incident with Aguero, Taylor and Luiz. They will start influencing games off their own bat. It's human nature. Leave it up to the players and coaches to ask for its help, strictly limit their access to it, and you'll eventually get a responsible, sensible use of VAR based on self-interest. After all, it's a competitive sport and they all get more money if they win. I'd also allow teams to cite officials who they feel have not interpreted the laws correctly on a VAR appeal. And ban the official in question if it proves to be the case. Some professional separation of on-pitch and off-pitch officials is necessary as well.

 

[stonerblue]

Whilst I understand what you mean about giving the ref the sole decision on VAR, how would that make any real difference to how it is now??

At least letting the participants of the game take control with the 2 challenge system (and potentially as well as the ref as they regain control), we would see many of the things we currently complain about (diving, surrounding the ref etc, etc) dissipate.

Maybe not all together, but certainly way below the current average.

I really like the idea of 'pick your incidents carefully' to teams. Yellow cards dished out after they run out of challenges if players ask for a review? Imagine a player trying to 'take a tumble' who's already on a yellow? That idea's ace and would stop the bullshit straight off!

What's not to love...??

Which player 'asks' for a review? The captain, the player who's been fouled, the fouler, the manager ??
And once all reviews have been used up what happens then. Does the diving, cheating and tumbling suddenly start again until full time?

 

[Oystercatcher28]

Sometimes refs are too tired to make a good decision or sometimes they lack attention to fine detail or they see thwe wrong replay from a different game? VAR is really throwing up glaring errors at a faster rate than traditional ballsing-up.

 

[west didsblue]

Good job VAR and goal line technology didn't exist in 1966!

 

[balotelli's back pocket]

For me VAR isn't about getting every decision right for now. It's job is to take away the excuse of "I couldnt see it" and show how shite the refs actually are. We've seen it can work. Now we have to demand that they make it work. Better refs, on the pitch and in the VAR room, will make it work perfectly. Nothing wrong with the tech itself.

 

[caseball]

For me VAR isn't about getting every decision right for now. It's job is to take away the excuse of "I couldnt see it" and show how shite the refs actually are. We've seen it can work. Now we have to demand that they make it work. Better refs, on the pitch and in the VAR room, will make it work perfectly. Nothing wrong with the tech itself.

Remember the game at Stoke when Kolarov fouled their man in the box and the ref didn't give it because he, as TV showed, genuinely couldn't see it? That's the perfect scenario for VAR on appeal. It would have got Stoke the penalty they should have had and preempted all the bitching about the referee and City after the game. City at Cardiff. Goal disallowed for offside obstructing the keeper's view. City would have had the option to appeal it or let it go because they were winning anyway and why waste an appeal just in case. I'd say it can put power in a good way in the hands of the people playing the game and watching it. And takes it away from the FA and PIGmol who are dinosaurs and parasites. People who bemoan the potential loss of excitement when a goal is scored are painting some kind of unreal picture. First off how many times does it happen? Not many. Have they never been at a game and gone up in the air when City score. The players go mad and then the opponents start tugging at the ref and pointing at the linesman, who's waving his flag around. We all stop and all we can see is some private secret conversation with nods and shakes and then the ref blows his whistle and points for a free kick in the box for something that we've not seen but might have happened. What's so special and timeless about that? How does that sort of bollocks define the essence of the game? Take that away and it's no longer a game? What's the difference between that and VAR? At least with VAR, if they did it properly, you could see a replay and hear the reason for the decision. There's still an interrupted moment of joy or despair. A disappointment or a relief. But at least with VAR there's a chance that the paying public at the game could get a proper explanation of what's just happened and why it's a goal or not a goal. The old way you've got Alf Grey, still 'fondly' remembered 40 years on. Some people aren't old enough to appreciate new things.

 

[Magicpole]

VAR helps to stop **** refs cheating or being awful. What’s wrong with that? Is it perfect? Of course it isn’t, but by fuck it’s better than leaving crucial decisions to a guy running about with the players, who often miss game winning goals or decisions to chop them off.

We up here have enough of honest mistakes, this prevents or at least cuts them down. I’m perfectly up for us getting our share of these decisions against us if it’s a level playing field.

Play up play up and play the game.

For those cheating, diving ****s, use it to hammer them, a few red cards for these utter pussies and it’s over.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

I am not convinced that's all. It has thrown up good decisions/corrections but we have now also seen players acting up purely for VAR.

EG, the Ronaldo elbow. The ref wasnt looking, nothing would have been awarded but the players know VAR can be called, so it has introduced a new level of play acting.

I think we all know that feeling when the ref goes over to the video for what is a ridiculous decision but he has to check and give a call.... It's happening too many times and the law of averages (With subjective decisions) will mean we have more, not less, incorrect calls. er, I think.