World Cup VAR

[Gorton_Tubster]

Still not decided on VAR yet.

I suspect taking the subjective decisions off the ref and giving it to to some guys in a darkened room miles away introduces more points of failure and bad decisions, and we've seen that. It might get even more controversial with Russia into the knock-outs. That decision against Russia would have been the end of VARs in it's current incarnation.

On the other hand it's potential has been seen too, it has corrected decisions that would have blighted some games.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Still not decided on VAR yet.

I suspect taking the subjective decisions off the ref and giving it to to some guys in a darkened room miles away introduces more points of failure and bad decisions, and we've seen that.

but the Ref has the final say, all the VAR refs do is highlight possible decision and allow the ref a clearer chance to look at it

 

[Super David Silva 21]

The handball given against Egypt would never have been given in the Pl yet their second one i thought was more of a pen they took bloody ages.

Few dodgy handballs in the Spain game, if you're gonna give one then you give them all

 

[Dubai Blue]

but the Ref has the final say, all the VAR refs do is highlight possible decision and allow the ref a clearer chance to look at it

I suspect his point is that there's no consistency in when the VAR refs choose to highlight things. It seems to be completely random at the moment

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

but the Ref has the final say, all the VAR refs do is highlight possible decision and allow the ref a clearer chance to look at it

The ref would have had the final say without VAR and he wouldn't have given a card at all. Also, I was watching the video being played to the ref, it looked like it was one selected angle out of context of the rest of the shenanigins from the defender, who decides that?

Not only that, the ref being shown something he has missed is in an immediate situation where (From his pov) everyone else has seen something he hasnt, puts too much pressure on him to make a decision. Lastly, who decided that was a clear mistake from the ref? Because thats the implication with VARS

If they were playing Russia last night all of those questions would have been asked imo. Russia being dodgy like.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The ref would have had the final say without VAR and he wouldn't have given a card at all. Also, I was watching the video being played to the ref, it looked like it was one selected angle out of context of the rest of the shenanigins from the defender, who decides that?

Not only that, the ref being shown something he has missed is in an immediate situation where (From his pov) everyone else has seen something he hasnt, puts too much pressure on him to make a decision. Lastly, who decided that was a clear mistake from the ref? Because thats the implication with VARS

If they were playing Russia last night all of those questions would have been asked imo. Russia being dodgy like.

again, we go back to the refs making a blind guess ? getting decisions wrong with no help whatsoever

 

[aguero93:20]

The handball given against Egypt would never have been given in the Pl yet their second one i thought was more of a pen they took bloody ages.

Few dodgy handballs in the Spain game, if you're gonna give one then you give them all

The PL referees are probably the worst going mate, if they don't give something it probably should be given.

 

[Dubai Blue]

again, we go back to the refs making a blind guess ? getting decisions wrong with no help whatsoever

You seem to be stuck in this default mode where you dismiss perfectly valid criticisms of the current system by saying referees have always made mistakes without VAR. But no one is disputing that.

It's pretty obvious that referees should be shown multiple angles to give them as much context as possible. And it's fairly obvious that introducing yet another opinion on subjective matters is going to cloud judgements further and influence the on-field referee's train of thought. It's also indisputable that VAR has been applied completely arbitrarily throughout this tournament, with very little consistency across (or even within) games.

Wanting issues like that ironed out doesn't mean people want VAR sacking off completely. It just means they've spotted the clear flaws in its current implementation.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You seem to be stuck in this default mode where you dismiss perfectly valid criticisms of the current system by saying referees have always made mistakes without VAR. But no one is disputing that.

It's pretty obvious that referees should be shown multiple angles to give them as much context as possible. And it's fairly obvious that introducing yet another opinion on subjective matters is going to cloud judgements further and influence the on-field referee's train of thought. It's also indisputable that VAR has been applied completely arbitrarily throughout this tournament, with very little consistency across (or even within) games.

Wanting issues like that ironed out doesn't mean people want VAR sacking off completely. It just means they've spotted the clear flaws in its current implementation.

that's fair enough although there is many on here who want rid of VAR all together

 

[Dubai Blue]

that's fair enough although there is many on here who want rid of VAR all together

I think it needs to move to a challenge-based system if it's going to succeed. Or at least stop the referee being unduly influenced by the VAR at random times throughout the game, and instead let him be the one who decides when to review a decision (i.e., "I didn't have a clear view of what happened there so I'm going to go and check the replay").

I just think they've tried to make it far too complicated with this current version. Should have been baby steps at first to get everyone on board with it. Instead they've gone all in and ended up polarising opinion.