Of course it is. It's missed things, but even factoring in that, its probably got 75% of decisions correct over the existing inept/corrupt system. That's a vast improvement.... not perfect, but you'd have to be mental to not take a 75% improvement over the existing system at the starting point, to remain with the disgrace of the existing system....
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World Cup VAR
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Of course it is. It's missed things, but even factoring in that, its probably got 75% of decisions correct over the existing inept/corrupt system. That's a vast improvement.... not perfect, but you'd have to be mental to not take a 75% improvement over the existing system at the starting point, to remain with the disgrace of the existing system....
Of course it is. It's missed things, but even factoring in that, its probably got 75% of decisions correct over the existing inept/corrupt system. That's a vast improvement.... not perfect, but you'd have to be mental to not take a 75% improvement over the existing system at the starting point, to remain with the disgrace of the existing system....
I've probably agreed with about half of the decisions made but I see that as issues with refs interpretations more than issues with VAR. Most of the decisions made with VAR have been subjective, neither right or wrong, but ones you either agree with or don't.
Bigger problem with VAR has been those decisions that the ref hasn't had another look at for whatever reason.
But if we go by your 75% figure, for me that means VAR decides games. One side gets the benefit of 2 or 3 decisions, the other sided isn't get the benefit of one or two. That's not an improvement. That's VAR deciding games.
And if the starting point us VAR deciding games then I'd rather have no VAR until they can develop a startimg point that works.
I'm not backtracking on anything. This is the v.a.r. system you will be getting.
It will be THIS SYSTEM with a few bits of 'fine tuning', not a diffefent system: THIS SYSTEM.
Non of the arguments you have been making, will be relevant.
THIS SYSTEM with mics on is still THIS SYSTEM.
THIS SYSTEM with a new guideline on handball is still THIS SYSTEM.
If you think THIS SYSTEM will be fine, if you can hear them talk, great, I don't.
I would like a completely different system or non at all.
You clearly are, I quoted what you said.... You've changed tact since, which was very good of you, helped to prove my point...
And what are you going on about a "Different Sytem"? Who's ever mentioned a totally different system. Laughable. This system with some tweaks is all it needs. It's 90% of the way there already.
Being mic'd up adds transparency, it would be a very good improvement so your wrong there yet again.
A better guideline/instruction on the handball, would nullify the most contentious decision of this World Cup, so again your wrong it wouldn't help
This system is good, with a few tweaks, that loads have mentioned it would be great.
But for shits and giggles, what type of different system do you want? Can't wait for this..... and don't say mic'd up or referals, we've all been saying that for ages.... come on, amaze us!!
Neville Kneville
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You clearly are, I quoted what you said.... You've changed tact since, which was very good of you, helped to prove my point...
And what are you going on about a "Different Sytem"? Who's ever mentioned a totally different system. Laughable. This system with some tweaks is all it needs. It's 90% of the way there already.
Being mic'd up adds transparency, it would be a very good improvement so your wrong there yet again.
A better guideline/instruction on the handball, would nullify the most contentious decision of this World Cup, so again your wrong it wouldn't help
This system is good, with a few tweaks, that loads have mentioned it would be great.
But for shits and giggles, what type of different system do you want? Can't wait for this..... and don't say mic'd up or referals, we've all been saying that for ages.... come on, amaze us!!
The one where each team has two challenges for referrals & the refs don't get a say.
Which I was suggesting trying out when cricket introduced it.
That would be a 'different' system.
We will not get it. We will get the same one
I saw a shirt pull on Spain before without even slomo. No mention.
Joke.
Neville Kneville
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You clearly are, I quoted what you said.... You've changed tact since, which was very good of you, helped to prove my point...
And what are you going on about a "Different Sytem"? Who's ever mentioned a totally different system. Laughable. This system with some tweaks is all it needs. It's 90% of the way there already.
Being mic'd up adds transparency, it would be a very good improvement so your wrong there yet again.
A better guideline/instruction on the handball, would nullify the most contentious decision of this World Cup, so again your wrong it wouldn't help
This system is good, with a few tweaks, that loads have mentioned it would be great.
But for shits and giggles, what type of different system do you want? Can't wait for this..... and don't say mic'd up or referals, we've all been saying that for ages.... come on, amaze us!!
So we have established 'holding' is a pen.
It just happened
POINT FUCKING PROVEN.
Bottled.
I've probably agreed with about half of the decisions made but I see that as issues with refs interpretations more than issues with VAR. Most of the decisions made with VAR have been subjective, neither right or wrong, but ones you either agree with or don't.
Bigger problem with VAR has been those decisions that the ref hasn't had another look at for whatever reason.
But if we go by your 75% figure, for me that means VAR decides games. One side gets the benefit of 2 or 3 decisions, the other sided isn't get the benefit of one or two. That's not an improvement. That's VAR deciding games.
And if the starting point us VAR deciding games then I'd rather have no VAR until they can develop a startimg point that works.
I think you mentioned you agree with half before. Unfortunately for you, the IFAB (the people who actually make the laws) have reviewed VAR and have said of all 18 VAR decisions taken in the group stages, only one (Iran pen) was incorrect... so your subjective opinion is incorrect on this one I'm afraid...
I agree the incidents missed, are the biggest area which needs improvement. But When in this World Cup, has VAR specifically picked on one team unfairly? It has missed things no doubt (Kane, argies, Serbia) especially early on in the first round of games but it's not like England's had 5 shockers against them. It's been the odd thing sporadically. If there was a trend against one team, then it would be a fair point and would need addressing. No doubt. Also, VAR is not making the original decision any worse, even if it's missed things. Yes you'd be annoyed if you didn't get a deserved pen, ala Kane, but VAR itself is not costing you anything. You didn't have the pen in the first place..
VAR is deciding games, but it's deciding games 75% better than the old system. That's a huge improvement.
The one where each team has two challenges for referrals & the refs don't get a say.
Which I was suggesting trying out when cricket introduced it.
That would be a 'different' system.
We will not get it. We will get the same one
I saw a shirt pull on Spain before without even slomo. No mention.
Joke.
We've all been suggesting that for ages.. Pmsl... funny you....
blue corby
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Pen all day long , if that was the other way round it would definitely been given !!So we have established 'holding' is a pen.
It just happened
POINT FUCKING PROVEN.
Bottled.
Neville Kneville
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We've all been suggesting that for ages.. Pmsl... funny you....
I was suggesting it before v.a.r was a topic.
But it doesn't matter as they would cheat anyhow as we have just seen
So we have established 'holding' is a pen.
It just happened
POINT FUCKING PROVEN.
Bottled.
I agree should have been a pen... they need to improve that area of it
Chi-town blues
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Unless they let the computer make the decision and announce it on pa , it’s useless.
Neville Kneville
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I agree should have been a pen... they need to improve that area of it
They will.
They'll give it Liverpool, rags, Bayern Munich & knock us out. Everyone will be delighted & v.a.r.
a great system.
I think you mentioned you agree with half before. Unfortunately for you, the IFAB (the people who actually make the laws) have reviewed VAR and have said of all 18 VAR decisions taken in the group stages, only one (Iran pen) was incorrect... so your subjective opinion is incorrect on this one I'm afraid...
You could make a justifiable argument any subjective decision is correct or incorrect if you were trying to prove a point one way or the other. I"d prefer to just see them as subjective decisions that I happen to agree or disagree with.
You don't even believe the 100% accuracy as you think they've got it right about 75%. So we're best off ignoring IFAB don't you think?
I agree the incidents missed, are the biggest area which needs improvement. But When in this World Cup, has VAR has specifically picked on one team unfairly? It has missed things no doubt (Kane, argies, Serbia) especially early on in the first round of games but it's not like England's had 5 shockers against them. It's been the odd thing sporadically. If there was a trend against one team, then it would be a fair point and would need addressing. No doubt. Also, VAR is not making the original decision any worse, even if it's missed things. Yes you'd be annoyed if you didn't get a deserved pen, ala Kane, but VAR itself is not costing you anything. You didn't have the pen in the first place..
I never said it has favoured one team or another but if we believe your 75% correct decisions then one side will be disadvantaged.
And yes disadvantaged by VAR is worse because if the technology is there and it is being applied consistently it opens up a big fan of worms over who is making decisions and why.
VAR is deciding games, but it's deciding games 75% better than the old system. That's a huge improvement.
It's your opinion that it's improving things 75%. For me that's unrealistic, and if we use video technology and still get 1 out of 4 major match changing decisions wrong then I think we need Togo back to the drawing board and work on a better system.
So VAR can't be manipulated they say.
Was Putin manning it this afternoon, that is the only way that a person sat at that computer and not see the handful of shirt in hand and then the pull over of the Spanish player.
Now I am not fussed that Spain are out but it leaves a faint stench around the win for Russia.
Was Putin manning it this afternoon, that is the only way that a person sat at that computer and not see the handful of shirt in hand and then the pull over of the Spanish player.
Now I am not fussed that Spain are out but it leaves a faint stench around the win for Russia.
Ramos had hold of the Russian lad as much as the other way around.So VAR can't be manipulated they say.
Was Putin manning it this afternoon, that is the only way that a person sat at that computer and not see the handful of shirt in hand and then the pull over of the Spanish player.
Now I am not fussed that Spain are out but it leaves a faint stench around the win for Russia.
Ramos had hold of the Russian lad as much as the other way around.
Well I will have a closer look on the replay when shown, all I saw was the Russian grabbing the shirt and then pulling him over, which would be a penalty according to this world cups rules,
Neville Kneville
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Well I will have a closer look on the replay when shown, all I saw was the Russian grabbing the shirt and then pulling him over, which would be a penalty according to this world cups rules,
Three Russians all started fouling before the ball came in. Ramos etc joined in later.
ExactlyThey will.
They'll give it Liverpool, rags, Bayern Munich & knock us out. Everyone will be delighted & v.a.r.
a great system.
Three Russians all started fouling before the ball came in. Ramos etc joined in later.
Well I am non the wiser as the beeb has decided not to mention it in the after match spiel, which again is bloody odd if you ask me.