World Cup VAR

Bigga said:
No, the system is fine. Even in this flawed state.

The interpretation is the problem.



Not 'until VAR' at all. VAR hasn't changed the rules to be more lenient at all. Again, I can't seem to get it through to people that the IFAB/ FIFA people have made that decision for the WORLD CUP!!

Stop making up conspiracy theories to fit your extremely poor narrative!



No, incorrect for the reasons above.



Yeah, so I watched the same replay as everyone else.

Whilst my gut was screaming 'PEN!', my head was telling me Vin tried to pull out of the challenge (left leg retreats, right leg makes light contact). But, if you ACTUALLY watch the 'contact', in no way does it remove GJ's support leg; Gabriel 'jumps'. It's a beautifully timed jump, but it's a jump! In the laws we see in the Prem that would still be called 50/ 50 (Sterling non pens as 100% proof positive examples).

VAR has nothing to do with it.

Plus, as you say, GJ was never in control of the ball, at that point.

I think the ref went off gut instincts( with Neymar Jr solely to blame for the reasoning), but I think he got lucky that VAR agreed with his assessment.
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The 'system' involves 'interpretation' therefore the 'interpretation' has to be right otherwise the 'system' is wrong. Without 'interpretation' there is no system.

It's basically utter shite, but Spain & Brazil are out, England & are in so nobody on tv here gives a flying fuck & are quite happy to have this aid to corruption running the show, as they think it's fun.

And from FIFA's point of view, Russia got past Spain with it & Russia have bought them all a house, got them pissed & given them blowjobs, so it's perfect.
 
stonerblue said:
I like the way you fail to address my original point (headbutt= red card) and spin some bollocks about 'conspiracy theories' and my 'narrative'.
I make a simple point yet you come out with that bollocks as deflection.
Like football, the point is simple. And just like var, you make it more complicated.
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Oh. My. Lord!

It's not MY choice to keep players on the fricking field!!

Blame the football governing bodies!!

And football isn't ever "simple" otherwise there'd be free-for-alls all over the pitch!!
 
Neville Kneville said:
The 'system' involves 'interpretation' therefore the 'interpretation' has to be right otherwise the 'system' is wrong. Without 'interpretation' there is no system.

It's basically utter shite, but Spain & Brazil are out, England & are in so nobody on tv here gives a flying fuck & are quite happy to have this aid to corruption running the show, as they think it's fun.

And from FIFA's point of view, Russia got past Spain with it & Russia have bought them all a house, got them pissed & given them blowjobs, so it's perfect.
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I REALLY FAIL to see your argument! I've tried, believe me!

With or without VAR, there's going to be interpretations. There always will be with Human refereeing!!

However, with VAR guessing goes out the window and context/ intention and contact comes in to it.

Surely, SURELY this has to be a better way of determining whether certain actions are legitimate or not?!!
 
BlueAnorak said:
It probably was a penalty but VAR is not for determining whether it's a pen but to detect clear and obvious errors by the officials. I can see why it wasn't given so its not a clear and obvious error.
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Borderline offsides are not "clear and obvious" mistakes from linesmen though, surely if human error is allowed for referees to an extent then the same can be applied to them.

However, if the attacker's pinky toe is seen to be offside it will be ruled out upon review. If you need to pause, review multiple angles and draw a line on the screen to determine an offside decision, is it clear and obvious?
 
Bigga said:
I REALLY FAIL to see your argument! I've tried, believe me!

With or without VAR, there's going to be interpretations. There always will be with Human refereeing!!

However, with VAR guessing goes out the window and context/ intention and contact comes in to it.

Surely, SURELY this has to be a better way of determining whether certain actions are legitimate or not?!!
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How the fuck can it be, if you can CHOOSE when you bother to do it ?

The excuse for letting this shit go, used to be: the ref didn't see it.

Now, they can actually decide whether or not the fucking ref sees it. He misses it, they watch it, see there's a potential problem AND DON'T FUCKING TELL HIM!!

On another day, they can suddenly decide to involve him, whenever they feel like it, with no rules in place to tell them what they have to do.

It is an absolute fucking joke.
 
pudge said:
Borderline offsides are not "clear and obvious" mistakes from linesmen though, surely if human error is allowed for referees to an extent then the same can be applied to them.

However, if the attacker's pinky toe is seen to be offside it will be ruled out upon review. If you need to pause, review multiple angles and draw a line on the screen to determine an offside decision, is it clear and obvious?
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Big difference between offside (factual - you are or you aren't) and penalties at least half of which are subjective.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Big difference between offside (factual - you are or you aren't) and penalties at least half of which are subjective.
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It's not about subjectivity as to what is or is not a foul. You said that it's about a clear and obvious error.

A linesman not flagging when the attackers toe is offside is not a clear and obvious mistake.
 
pudge said:
It's not about subjectivity as to what is or is not a foul. You said that it's about a clear and obvious error.

A linesman not flagging when the attackers toe is offside is not a clear and obvious mistake.
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Give over. Offsides are factual.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Your not listening. Offside is factual. Fouls are subjective.
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No, sorry, you're not getting it.

VAR is for "clear and obvious errors" yet that's not how it's employed.

You can't grant one official the pardon of human error and not them all.

Too much of a grey area and it seems it will never be black and white as to when and what it will get involved with. Should be way, way, way down the list of methods to implement in improving officiating.
 
I am getting it.
Offside is factual so its either a clear and obvious error or it isn't. The point the offside line is drawn is factual as well the point in time the passer first touches the ball.
 
BlueAnorak said:
I am getting it.
Offside is factual so its either a clear and obvious error or it isn't. The point the offside line is drawn is factual as well the point in time the passer first touches the ball.
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You're clearly not getting it though. If you have to pause an image, view it from multiple angles and draw an actual line on the screen to determine whether or not someone was marginally offside then by mere definition alone it is NOT a "clear and obvious error". Therefore, by your logic, VAR can't rule over it.

You are granting referees an excuse in human error that they can miss something, that penalty in the Brazil/Belgium game. It wasn't, to you, an obvious mistake from the official so VAR cannot determine it or be brought into use.

Neither would it be if a linesman kept his flag down because Harry Kane's pinky toe was offside before he scored.

You are either off or you're not, yes. You either bring somebody down illegally in the box or you don't as well. If VAR can't be brought in for one, it can't be brought in for either.

Or you do it for both.
 
stonerblue said:
Not. Sure. What. Your. Point. Is.
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Since you don't know what you're talking about already, this is for you... Again!

Again, I can't seem to get it through to people that the IFAB/ FIFA people have made that decision for the WORLD CUP!!

Stop making up conspiracy theories to fit your extremely poor narrative!
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