Would You Have Rafa?

[ifiwasarichfan]

If Bobby wasn't the Manager of City ( and I pray that he will be for a long time yet) then we could certainly do a lot worse than Rafa.

I would certainly have him in charge before Pelligrini,Hiddink, Brenda, Martinez, De Boer and Laudrup just some of the suggestions that have come up on the Mancini threads recently.

Editing the Pelligrini bit out of this post right now before I get labelled an "Outer".<br /><br />-- Wed May 15, 2013 10:57 pm --<br /><br />

If Bobby wasn't the Manager of City ( and I pray that he will be for a long time yet) then we could certainly do a lot worse than Rafa.

I would certainly have him in charge before Hiddink, Brenda, Martinez, De Boer and Laudrup just some of the suggestions that have come up on the Mancini threads recently.

That's better. Hope no one notices.

 

[Bill Walker]

If Bobby wasn't the Manager of City ( and I pray that he will be for a long time yet) then we could certainly do a lot worse than Rafa.

I would certainly have him in charge before Pelligrini,Hiddink, Brenda, Martinez, De Boer and Laudrup just some of the suggestions that have come up on the Mancini threads recently.

Editing the Pelligrini bit out of this post right now before I get labelled an "Outer".

-- Wed May 15, 2013 10:57 pm --

If Bobby wasn't the Manager of City ( and I pray that he will be for a long time yet) then we could certainly do a lot worse than Rafa.

I would certainly have him in charge before Hiddink, Brenda, Martinez, De Boer and Laudrup just some of the suggestions that have come up on the Mancini threads recently.

That's better. Hope no one notices.

give the guy a chance FFS, he hasnt done much wrong IMO

 

[NoahCity]

Will not fit in with the Ethos we are going to create even with his trophy record.

Are we going to try and emulate the Arsenal model now?

This is what the board is expecting, credit goes to Scooby Blue for this post:

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Rafa is similar to a Mourinho and Mancini type of Manager.

Thank you for posting this.

 

[ifiwasarichfan]

This is for you Nimrod.

Off course. I will do more than give him a chance I will back him blindly and madly until the day he leave's our Club. At the time though I was comparing potential incoming Managers.

 

[Ray78]

Are we going to try and emulate the Arsenal model now?

This is what the board is expecting, credit goes to Scooby Blue for this post:

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Rafa is similar to a Mourinho and Mancini type of Manager.

Thank you for posting this.

This one this seemed a very useful post.

 

[giles20]

Tbf, he'll be a massive upgrade from Mancini when it comes to Europe. Just look at his record!

 

[cityisblue]

Are we going to try and emulate the Arsenal model now?

This is what the board is expecting, credit goes to Scooby Blue for this post:

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Rafa is similar to a Mourinho and Mancini type of Manager.

Thank you for posting this.

Everything you stated above as the criteria for a "holistic model based city manager " well..you are describing rafa Benitez....he ticks all the boxes...and especially this..

<a class="postlink" href="http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/liverpool-nextgen-stars-ready-to-step-up-thanks-to-rafas-revolution/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/live ... evolution/</a>

if you wnat more information of Rafa the holistoc manager..type in liverpool academy by rafa benitez....and you will find a lot more..LFC play 4-2-3-1 from under 10-first team..

By the way Rafa won his 10th trophy tonight, he has also lost 5 finals and a runner up in the PL, so that would have put him alongside Mourinho trophy haul..and above guardiola...without being at a club that have spent, chelsea, city, madrid , utd, kind of money ( no penny spent at inter milan mourinho drained that cash cow, and only 7 ,million on BA at Chelsea while he has been there.

He is a high quality manager, but you guys have pelegrini so maybe he can win something for you although nothing in 9 years so far !

 

[BlueMoonRisin’]

No no and thrice no. Rafa is not wanted here.

 

[NoahCity]

This is what the board is expecting, credit goes to Scooby Blue for this post:

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Rafa is similar to a Mourinho and Mancini type of Manager.

Thank you for posting this.

This one this seemed a very useful post.

oh, missed Scooby Blue part

 

[Ray78]

Thank you for posting this.

This one this seemed a very useful post.

oh, missed Scooby Blue part

Not a problem but it is a still a valid point.

-- Thu May 16, 2013 12:24 am --

This is what the board is expecting, credit goes to Scooby Blue for this post:

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Rafa is similar to a Mourinho and Mancini type of Manager.

Thank you for posting this.

Everything you stated above as the criteria for a "holistic model based city manager " well..you are describing rafa Benitez....he ticks all the boxes...and especially this..

<a class="postlink" href="http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/liverpool-nextgen-stars-ready-to-step-up-thanks-to-rafas-revolution/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/live ... evolution/</a>

if you wnat more information of Rafa the holistoc manager..type in liverpool academy by rafa benitez....and you will find a lot more..LFC play 4-2-3-1 from under 10-first team..

By the way Rafa won his 10th trophy tonight, he has also lost 5 finals and a runner up in the PL, so that would have put him alongside Mourinho trophy haul..and above guardiola...without being at a club that have spent, chelsea, city, madrid , utd, kind of money ( no penny spent at inter milan mourinho drained that cash cow, and only 7 ,million on BA at Chelsea while he has been there.

He is a high quality manager, but you guys have pelegrini so maybe he can win something for you although nothing in 9 years so far !

2006–08 Confrontation with new owners

Following Benítez's great early success, the English media were predicting Liverpool would challenge Chelsea for the 2006–2007 Premier League title after Benítez addressed Liverpool's perceived weaknesses in the transfer window, a belief reaffirmed after his side won the Community Shield with 2–1 victory over Chelsea. The title challenge fizzled out early in the season with Liverpool's poor form away from Anfield leading to speculation Benítez's tenure at Liverpool was short-lived, with his agent quoted as saying Benítez would consider offers to manage in Italy.[9] Benítez swiftly issued a statement through the club's website re-affirming his desire to remain with Liverpool for the long term.[10] In January, Benítez's side lost twice in four days to Arsenal in both domestic cup competitions, the 6–3 defeat in the League Cup was Liverpool's heaviest home defeat since 1913. Despite the poor domestic performances, Liverpool fans remained supportive to Benítez.

Supporters and manager joined together to welcome new owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks, with the hope the new owners would bring funding for new players and a new stadium. Gillett declared himself delighted with the manager of his new investment as Benítez overcame his domestic difficulties to lead Liverpool to another Champions League final. After Liverpool again defeated Chelsea in the semi-final, this time on penalties, Gillett stated "Rafa has been tremendous ... We knew of him but I don't think we realized how good he was, and not just as a coach. Not only was he a brilliant coach but he is a very sharp, savvy businessman. He knows what he wants and how to get it. The more we have seen of him the more impressed we have become."[11] Benítez did not reciprocate his owner's kind words, demanding his club's new owners had to back him in the transfer market in order for Liverpool to progress following his side's 2–1 loss to AC Milan in the final.[12] It was reported Benítez did not feel he had the complete support of the new owners, a thought that was compounded by Liverpool's initial lack of activity in the transfer window, although the club played these rumours down.[13]

Benítez's spending was, eventually, significant, breaking Liverpool's transfer record when signing Spanish striker Fernando Torres from Atlético Madrid as well as signing Ryan Babel, Yossi Benayoun, Lucas Leiva and Andriy Voronin. Among those Benítez sold was Craig Bellamy, who was notably phased out of the first team following an altercation with John Arne Riise in the build up to Liverpool's remarkable victory over Barcelona in the Camp Nou en route to the Champions League final[14]

Liverpool made a good start to the 2007–2008 league season, topping the Premier League table for the first time under Benítez after a comprehensive 6–0 win over Derby County. Despite this, poor results in the Champions League and a disagreement over future transfers lead to a public falling-out with the club's owners, played out in the media at the end of November. It was suggested that Benítez's position was now under serious threat. The resulting coverage resulted in a show of support by fans in support of Benítez which culminated in a fans' march in support of Benítez ahead of the critical Champions League home tie with Porto, which they won 4–1.[15] It later emerged Jürgen Klinsmann was offered Benítez's job, before accepting the post of Bayern Munich manager. Such a revelation damaged Benítez's relations with the Americans, with constant rumours linking the Spaniard to Real Madrid.[16] However, Benítez insisted his future was at Liverpool and signalled his long-term intentions by appointing Sammy Lee as his new assistant[17] to replace his long-time right-hand man, Pako Ayestarán, who quit after a reported disagreement, which Benítez admitted "hurt" him and arguably Liverpool's titles hopes.[18]

Benítez was unable to win any trophies, Liverpool's domestic campaign faltering in the winter months – including a shock FA Cup exit at home to Barnsley – and his side this time lost to Chelsea in the Champions League semi-finals. Despite the lack of silverware, the main talking points were off the pitch, with Benítez in the middle of a power struggle between the Liverpool board

Something City's board will not want to see at this present time. For the short term he is a decent appointment though.