Writing is on the wall

[VOOMER]

Contracts are put into place as much for if things go wrong as they for if things go right. IMO it's quite naive to assume that a contract extension comes without clearly defined objectives and clearly defined penalties for not meeting those objectives. Of course none of us know the ins and outs of what is in Mancini's contract . In the summer just gone City refused to sell Mario. By October things had changed and we'd agreed to sell him. Even though he had barely fulfilled two years of a four year contract.

I'm surprised we didn't move for someone this window as Mario's sale, contrary to what Mancini keeps saying, has been on the cards for months. Coupled with our inactivity or relative inactivity last summer, again it's not crazy logic to think that there are trust issues with respect to identifying and facilitating transfers, and that Txiki and Ferran are more interested in the long term needs of the squad rather than Mancini's short term needs.

What it all means for Mancini ? Who knows ... the club won't sack him unless they have a better option available to them. Guardiola was the best 'better option' and he's no longer available so it could well mean another season with the status quo remaining intact.

I would be amazed if their isn't a buy out clause in the pre contract.

 

[Bobbies Black Bins]

First off, I want Mancini to stay long term, that's how I see a prolonged success and not a Chelsea situation.

But, it's fairly obvious to me the only way bobby will still be here at the start of next season is if we retain the league.

New board, he obviously didnt want to sell Mario even if he understood the reasons, the summer window, the window just closed, the contract situation at the end of last season although he got a new deal and a few other bits. I don't think a second place and fa cup win would save him.

I hope I am wrong. I don't want to get in to a situation where if you don't win the league and or champions league we change manger but I fear that's the future.

I'd be very surprised if he is here next year. Shame really and hope I am wrong.

Oh deary me, where to start with this crap..

Firstly not a chance on earth was Mario sold without Mancini sanctioning the move first, if you bothered to read and watch the comments they have both made it is clearly obvious. One Mario was desperate to go, and Two they sat down together and although Mancini wanted Mario to stay he agreed it was the right time for both Mario and the club.


By your "summer window" comment I'm presuming you mean the club didn't spend silly money on RVP... Pathetic..


So if we win the FA cup and finish second the club will sack Mancini?

Hahahaha you really are a drama queen.

 

[OB1]

Contracts are put into place as much for if things go wrong as they for if things go right. IMO it's quite naive to assume that a contract extension comes without clearly defined objectives and clearly defined penalties for not meeting those objectives. Of course none of us know the ins and outs of what is in Mancini's contract . In the summer just gone City refused to sell Mario. By October things had changed and we'd agreed to sell him. Even though he had barely fulfilled two years of a four year contract.

I'm surprised we didn't move for someone this window as Mario's sale, contrary to what Mancini keeps saying, has been on the cards for months. Coupled with our inactivity or relative inactivity last summer, again it's not crazy logic to think that there are trust issues with respect to identifying and facilitating transfers, and that Txiki and Ferran are more interested in the long term needs of the squad rather than Mancini's short term needs.

What it all means for Mancini ? Who knows ... the club won't sack him unless they have a better option available to them. Guardiola was the best 'better option' and he's no longer available so it could well mean another season with the status quo remaining intact.

I would be amazed if their isn't a buy out clause in the pre contract.

Pep won't renege on his contract with Bayern.

 

[citysix]

FFS

 

[Anonymous]

Oh deary me, where to start with this crap..

Firstly not a chance on earth was Mario sold without Mancini sanctioning the move first, if you bothered to read and watch the comments they have both made it is clearly obvious. One Mario was desperate to go, and Two they sat down together and although Mancini wanted Mario to stay he agreed it was the right time for both Mario and the club.


By your "summer window" comment I'm presuming you mean the club didn't spend silly money on RVP... Pathetic..


So if we win the FA cup and finish second the club will sack Mancini?

Hahahaha you really are a drama queen.

This post should be printed on to t-shirts and sold at the City Store right next to the Blue Tinted Specs and just below the "Forza Bobby" scarves.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Contracts are put into place as much for if things go wrong as they for if things go right. IMO it's quite naive to assume that a contract extension comes without clearly defined objectives and clearly defined penalties for not meeting those objectives. Of course none of us know the ins and outs of what is in Mancini's contract . In the summer just gone City refused to sell Mario. By October things had changed and we'd agreed to sell him. Even though he had barely fulfilled two years of a four year contract.

I'm surprised we didn't move for someone this window as Mario's sale, contrary to what Mancini keeps saying, has been on the cards for months. Coupled with our inactivity or relative inactivity last summer, again it's not crazy logic to think that there are trust issues with respect to identifying and facilitating transfers, and that Txiki and Ferran are more interested in the long term needs of the squad rather than Mancini's short term needs.

What it all means for Mancini ? Who knows ... the club won't sack him unless they have a better option available to them. Guardiola was the best 'better option' and he's no longer available so it could well mean another season with the status quo remaining intact.

Lets hope so eh billy :)

 

[VOOMER]

But - I'm coming to the conlusion that the writing is unfortunately on the wall. This academy fixation is all well and good - but leagues throughout Europe are littered with shiny sparkly academies - not many produce world class players. For me the fixation and seemingly sole fixation is premature - just as we are establishing ourselves as a global brand we shut up shop and sell 3 very good squad players and replace tham with average ones. I hope the sense of deflation I'm feeling is misplaced and I hope the squad who have seen popular strong personalites leave aren't deflated too.

Selling Mario will have a positive effect upon the rest of the squad and particularly upon our remaining forwards.

I don't think there's a fixation with the academy, just a fixation with having a long term view to transfer policy. Last summer Mancini wanted RVP and De Rossi - neither transfer was realistic based on our spending in the previous three years and sheer number of players on insane wages we already had in our squad. It was remiss of Mancini to not see the bigger picture at that point and get himself into a public shit fight with Marwood instead.

No Billy, Mancini was and is 100% right on the RVP and De Rossi issues, maybe different targets should have identified, but the level of player was right. He see's the bigger picture better than many if not all. He has played at the top and managed one of the biggest clubs in the world. I would say he fully understands what it takes to build a true force. The proof is in RVP being the main reason the rags are ahead, he was right, knew he was right and if other people couldn't admit they were wrong, then they should be outed! We aren't aiming to be a flash in the pan club, the myth that our youth set is truly ready to produce first 11 players is just that. We will be having to buy top quality players each year for the next 10. After that if we have some continuity in terms of playing style then we might see a team, or squad dominated by home grown talent. We are still going to have to spend big each season to establish ourselfs, regardless of who is manager, because we are aiming to win the EPL and Champions league, not have big smiley faces because we the FA cup, or league cup, while SKY and all the toadying managers kiss the collective Rag arse. Also Billy, why is acceptable in the EPL for everyone to lick spittle over the swamp janitor? If managers kissed someone's arse as much they all kiss his in Europe, then there own fans would turn on them.

 

[OB1]

So if we win the FA cup and finish second the club will sack Mancini?

They might.

 

[sam-caddick]

You don't sack a manager after one poor season, if we do then we have fallen into the ridiculous managerial chop and change domain Chelsea have done over the years.

Yes they have been successful doing it but I want a managerial legacy at City, plus look at how much Abramovich has spent paying managers off.

We are going to have seasons like the one we are going through now, but we shouldn't sack whoever is the manager because of it.

The players live a shielded lifestyle and its always the manager who seems to take the blame, it's the players who have some explaining to do if you ask me, they have well underachieved, bar some - Zabaleta.

I don't buy all this formation talk as well, I agree with Mancini that all top players can play any formation, just look at the Dutch team in the 70's! That team played total football, nobody had set positions as they all alternated throughout the game.

Don't get me wrong, I was annoyed with us going out the Champions League and being 7 points behind, and yes at time Mancini can get frustrating with his substitutes and starting elevens, but for me the players are the ones at fault this season! They want to take look at themselves and understand that they are not earning their money.

 

[Anonymous]

No Billy, Mancini was and is 100% right on the RVP and De Rossi issues, maybe different targets should have identified, but the level of player was right. He see's the bigger picture better than many if not all. He has played at the top and managed one of the biggest clubs in the world. I would say he fully understands what it takes to build a true force. The proof is in RVP being the main reason the rags are ahead, he was right, knew he was right and if other people couldn't admit they were wrong, then they should be outed!

Our owners gave unprecedented amounts of money to Hughes and then Mancini to build a squad capable of challenging both domestically and in Europe. However it was also made crystal clear by Khaldoun after our expenditure in the summer of 2011 that the squad was ready and fit for purpose. In fact I would hazard a guess that with the exception of our lack of a genuine world class winger, we all agreed at the start of last season our squad was incredible.

What has happened subsequently is that Balotelli, Dzeko, and Nari in particular haven't lived up to their expectations. These things happen in football but manager don't just get to keep buying from the very top shelf because their previous top shelf purchases haven't worked out.

Even without the pressures of FFP, I would feel a little uncomfortable if Mansour took an Abramovich on steroids approach and just paid whatever he needed to to secure the best players in the world every summer.

The most disappointing thing going into last summer was the lack of forethought from Mancini and his staff when it comes to identifying talent. With the best will the world, I could've told you that De Rossi, Hazard, and RVP would've guaranteed us the title. However since the luxury of buying those three players wasn't possible the key was identifying which financial constraints you were working under, then identifying players within those constraints. From the outside looking in it looked very much like Mancini said "I want Hazard, Van Persie, and De Rossi" - the board decided he wasn't going to get them and he subsequently sulked for the rest of the summer rather than identifying better value for money than Javi Garcia and Scott Sinclair.

We aren't aiming to be a flash in the pan club, the myth that our youth set is truly ready to produce first 11 players is just that. We will be having to buy top quality players each year for the next 10. After that if we have some continuity in terms of playing style then we might see a team, or squad dominated by home grown talent. We are still going to have to spend big each season to establish ourselfs, regardless of who is manager, because we are aiming to win the EPL and Champions league, not have big smiley faces because we the FA cup, or league cup, while SKY and all the toadying managers kiss the collective Rag arse. Also Billy, why is acceptable in the EPL for everyone to lick spittle over the swamp janitor? If managers kissed someone's arse as much they all kiss his in Europe, then there own fans would turn on them.

I simply don't agree with the gist of what you've posted there. I think you're in for a bit of a shock if you think we're going to be buying world class players every summer. Those days are over.