Yann M`Vila

[shikariblue]

We lost Chelsea away and were dismal against Man Utd in both games (although he did play well against Chelsea at home but GB also played well there)

Its your opinion that he played better than Barry and we can have different opinions obviously but I don't think that that was the case. If you re watch every game in the cold light of day I believe you will see GB contributed just as much as De Jong. Well see whether hell get back in... (but he has not been injured for the past 3 or so weeks)

Now this is what pisses me off the most "for his style of DM" - NAME all the players that play his "style of DM". Because under the BM consensus the only players that play his style of DM are players that don't contribute whatsoever to going forward and just defend.

So who is there Mascherano? (who is better than him) and err err no-one

So whenever I name better DMs I just get - he doesn't play the same role etc etc.

To be honest mate, I'd take into account any DM in the world. Essien, Xabi Alonso, Mascherano, Cambiasso etc. He is up there with the best.

If those players count, these are the "DM" that I would say are a decent bit better than him.

Alonso
Pirlo (You could also argue Xavi and Martin and other such deep lying playmakers)
Mascherano
Martinez
M'Vila
L. Diarra
Cambiasso
Shweinsteiger
Vidal
Busquets
Yaya
De Rossi

I would say he is around the level of players like this:

Barry
Parker
Gustavo
Van Bommel
Keita
Khedira
Sandro
Fletcher
Motta
Fellaini

Okay we are getting somewhere at least. Although I won't accept some of these as DM (Yaya, who is more of a box-to-box like Xavi and Martin). I respect your opinion as well and seems to be more thought out. However, Pirlo is too old now and isn't great at breaking down play (one aspect of the job) although he can play a great ball. Diarra should not be in this group either as he was good in an average team but not so good in a great team. M'Vila is a little bit too unproven but no denying potential. I just wouldn;t put him in the top group yet. All in all I'd say you'd have a top group of:

Alonso
Mascherano
Schweinsteiger

Then after these 3:

De Jong
Martinez
Cambiasso
Vidal
De Rossi

Then the rest after.

I would say he is better than all of those in the second list but that's just opinion. By the way, Fellaini is absolute dog shite.

 

[waspish]

Who does he play for and what nationality is he?

 

[Bilboblue]

Who does he play for and what nationality is he?

French and Rennes.

 

[Matt the Giant]

Only seen a few games with him, for France and club side, but based on what I saw he would be a fantastic signing. I hope Pat Vieira, Clichy and Nasri helps Yann make the right move.

BUT... if it came down to between M'Vila and Javi Martinez, I know who I would prefer.

 

[Scooby Blue]

As we become nearer the "finished article" as a team...I think we need to think less about simply trying to add "good" players to the squad...and more about filling specific gaps / adding players that complement our style of play (including existing players).

Take a look at a couple of outstanding PL title winning team's front six:
1) Man Utd 99/00: Beckham Scholes Keane Giggs / Yorke Cole
2) Arsenal 03/04: Pires Vieira Gilberto Ljungberg / Bergkamp Henry

(Utd team: record winning points margin in PL / Arsenal team: unbeaten all season)

City front six: Silva Yaya ???? Nasri (or Milner) / Aguero Dzeko

Top teams have players that will drive a team forward (Keane / Vieira) even when things aren't going well...and I think this is where we are maybe lacking.(e.g. "flat" performance 2nd half vs bayern munich)
Yaya is maybe our best all-round midfielder but needs someone to do a lot of running alongside him to get the best out of him.
Gilberto was the unsung hero in that Arsenal team...just as Flamini was in a more recent Arsenal season.
Barry is not mobile / quick enough...while Milner has the stamina but it seems RM is very reluctant to give him that key "engine-room" role.

I think Schweinsteiger would fit in well (perhaps unrealistic signing) while Song + Sandro both seem to have improved over last couple of seasons.
But it is really someone in the Gilberto Silva mould that we need....mobile / high-tempo / decent in the tackle (if not quite De Jong standard)...with intelligence to drop back if sidekick (Yaya) is going on a forward run.

I thought this was the role that Milner was being signed for...but it seems that his energy / work-rate is preferred by RM on the wings where he can help out our full-backs.

Not seen enough of M'Vila to get too excited...but if he is quick / mobile / "intelligent" in his decision-making....he could be an important piece in our final jigsaw.

 

[blue soon?]

only watched his youtube videos but with all this talk of de jong and he reminds me a lot more of barry. no sliding in, anticipating tackles, always making himself available, keeping things ticking over with the simple passes.
Not seen anywhere near enough of him to judge but doesnt seem to have as much drive as our other rumored midfield targets in de rossi, martinez & khedira

 

[alky313]

SSSSHSTOP!

There is absolutely no requirement for an NINTH midfielder at Manchester City football club.

There is a need for an experienced center back to partner Kompany and cover him when he's injured.

The fact that we took a punt on Hargreaves leads me to believe that the boss is happy with what he's got, and just wanted someone to run down the clock or play in the carling cup games like Viera often did.

All these players being linked to us by greedy agents, I don't believe any of it for a second.

The fact that he took a punt on Hargreave suggests to me that he isn't.

 

[BlueCityfan]

This is a clear sign that mancini wants another top central midfielder. Even if De Jong stays....Hargreaves is probably not up to much and we have pretty experienced midfielders in Barry, nigel and Yaya. All over or nearly 30.

So a young promising top central midfielder like Yann M'vila or Javi Martinez would be nice. :D

 

[City Raider]

Potentially the best DM in the world. Better than NDJ already by a decent distance.

stop embarrassing yourself with this constant agenda

There is no agenda, WATCH both players play then come back to me.

M'vila has everything, De Jong is a player who is good at what he does but is extremely limited.

If there's no agenda why mention NDJ at all? No-one else had. Just list the attributes of the player the thread is about and let others draw conclusions/comparisons. Instead of using every single opportunity to slag off one of our own players.

 

[Calcio]

He is similar to De Jong, has little more to his game in terms of long passing. Potentially could be better...but isnt right now. If he comes, then that must mean De Jong is off as I cant see him and de Jong playing together. He's more defensive than Barry for sure

 

[Tevez City]

Potentially the best DM in the world. Better than NDJ already by a decent distance.

stop embarrassing yourself with this constant agenda

There is no agenda, WATCH both players play then come back to me.

M'vila has everything, De Jong is a player who is good at what he does but is extremely limited.

+1

 

[City Raider]

stop embarrassing yourself with this constant agenda

There is no agenda, WATCH both players play then come back to me.

M'vila has everything, De Jong is a player who is good at what he does but is extremely limited.

+1

Sorry but I just don't get this thinking. There are 2 parts to the game, with the ball and without it. De Jong has a major influence on one, not the other - just as Silva or Aguero have, but you wouldn't say they are extremely limited just because they offer little defensively.

 

[shikariblue]

There is no agenda, WATCH both players play then come back to me.

M'vila has everything, De Jong is a player who is good at what he does but is extremely limited.

+1

Sorry but I just don't get this thinking. There are 2 parts to the game, with the ball and without it. De Jong has a major influence on one, not the other - just as Silva or Aguero have, but you wouldn't say they are extremely limited just because they offer little defensively.

I wouldn't waste your breathe mate. I think Sabster would prefer another DM instead which is fair enough. But Tevez City just hates every other player.... apart from Tevez. He also has some weird fetish for Javi Martinez as well.

 

[LoveCity]

Bollocks, he is limited by instruction not by ability. Yaya looked "limited" in the same sense earlier this season when he loitered around the halfway line making simple passes and playing holding midfield. The big runs were gone, the goalscoring was gone because of how he was told to play - with restraint and discipline. Yaya and De Jong are both two of the most accurate passers in our squad and have incredible pass completion rates, this is important in that role since you have to be clever with the football after winning it or else it leads to how Parker was against Spain - he did well breaking up play but then kept losing it with poor passes. De Jong's against Villarreal is one of the best passing statistics in Europe this season (100 out of 101).

Have a look at De Jong as an attacking player from Ajax, you don't just lose this ability - he plays how he plays because he is good at it not because it's all he can do. It's quite simple really and anyway who knows of the Ajax academy knows about Ajax's youth system knows all of its products are technically gifted.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGQRjLwj-Xk[/youtube]

-- Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:45 pm --

But Tevez City just hates every other player.... apart from Tevez. He also has some weird fetish for Javi Martinez as well.

He just wants us to sign players all the time, he's self-admittedly a "shopping addict" and seems to like us because we spend so much money on big name players. Enough is never enough, they always want us to spend more even at the expense of settled talented players like De Jong and Lescott.

 

[Sabster]

There is no agenda, WATCH both players play then come back to me.

M'vila has everything, De Jong is a player who is good at what he does but is extremely limited.

+1

Sorry but I just don't get this thinking. There are 2 parts to the game, with the ball and without it. De Jong has a major influence on one, not the other - just as Silva or Aguero have, but you wouldn't say they are extremely limited just because they offer little defensively.

Because midfielders are supposed to do both and I don't think he is good enough defensively (don't get me wrong he is good defensively but not incredible) to warrant a place in the team to just defend - name a top side that has a player who contributes nothing going forward who plays cm regularly.

With him playing we almost play with 3cbs

 

[dref619]

not getting drawn into an arguement on de jong cause i love the guy. but m'villa is a class act

 

[Sabster]

To be honest mate, I'd take into account any DM in the world. Essien, Xabi Alonso, Mascherano, Cambiasso etc. He is up there with the best.

If those players count, these are the "DM" that I would say are a decent bit better than him.

Alonso
Pirlo (You could also argue Xavi and Martin and other such deep lying playmakers)
Mascherano
Martinez
M'Vila
L. Diarra
Cambiasso
Shweinsteiger
Vidal
Busquets
Yaya
De Rossi

I would say he is around the level of players like this:

Barry
Parker
Gustavo
Van Bommel
Keita
Khedira
Sandro
Fletcher
Motta
Fellaini

Okay we are getting somewhere at least. Although I won't accept some of these as DM (Yaya, who is more of a box-to-box like Xavi and Martin). I respect your opinion as well and seems to be more thought out. However, Pirlo is too old now and isn't great at breaking down play (one aspect of the job) although he can play a great ball. Diarra should not be in this group either as he was good in an average team but not so good in a great team. M'Vila is a little bit too unproven but no denying potential. I just wouldn;t put him in the top group yet. All in all I'd say you'd have a top group of:

Alonso
Mascherano
Schweinsteiger

Then after these 3:

De Jong
Martinez
Cambiasso
Vidal
De Rossi

Then the rest after.

I would say he is better than all of those in the second list but that's just opinion. By the way, Fellaini is absolute dog shite.

I honestly can't see what De Jong does better than
Martinez
Cambiasso
Vidal
De Rossi

but fair enough - its your opinion. I just feel that those players offer sooo much more<br /><br />-- Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:16 pm --<br /><br />

stop embarrassing yourself with this constant agenda

There is no agenda, WATCH both players play then come back to me.

M'vila has everything, De Jong is a player who is good at what he does but is extremely limited.

If there's no agenda why mention NDJ at all? No-one else had. Just list the attributes of the player the thread is about and let others draw conclusions/comparisons. Instead of using every single opportunity to slag off one of our own players.

Could it be to do with the fact that they play the same position?

Based on your logic this is slagging Silva: Messi is better than Silva

 

[City Raider]

If those players count, these are the "DM" that I would say are a decent bit better than him.

Alonso
Pirlo (You could also argue Xavi and Martin and other such deep lying playmakers)
Mascherano
Martinez
M'Vila
L. Diarra
Cambiasso
Shweinsteiger
Vidal
Busquets
Yaya
De Rossi

I would say he is around the level of players like this:

Barry
Parker
Gustavo
Van Bommel
Keita
Khedira
Sandro
Fletcher
Motta
Fellaini

Okay we are getting somewhere at least. Although I won't accept some of these as DM (Yaya, who is more of a box-to-box like Xavi and Martin). I respect your opinion as well and seems to be more thought out. However, Pirlo is too old now and isn't great at breaking down play (one aspect of the job) although he can play a great ball. Diarra should not be in this group either as he was good in an average team but not so good in a great team. M'Vila is a little bit too unproven but no denying potential. I just wouldn;t put him in the top group yet. All in all I'd say you'd have a top group of:

Alonso
Mascherano
Schweinsteiger

Then after these 3:

De Jong
Martinez
Cambiasso
Vidal
De Rossi

Then the rest after.

I would say he is better than all of those in the second list but that's just opinion. By the way, Fellaini is absolute dog shite.

I honestly can't see what De Jong does better than
Martinez
Cambiasso
Vidal
De Rossi

but fair enough - its your opinion. I just feel that those players offer sooo much more

-- Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:16 pm --

There is no agenda, WATCH both players play then come back to me.

M'vila has everything, De Jong is a player who is good at what he does but is extremely limited.

If there's no agenda why mention NDJ at all? No-one else had. Just list the attributes of the player the thread is about and let others draw conclusions/comparisons. Instead of using every single opportunity to slag off one of our own players.

Could it be to do with the fact that they play the same position?

Based on your logic this is slagging Silva: Messi is better than Silva

That's the whole point, if i was to post raving about Messi, it wouldn't be to the detriment of Silva. Thanks for making my case so eloquently.

 

[BlueJill]

Sabster:

M'vila or Javi Martinez?

 

[Sabster]

Sabster:

M'vila or Javi Martinez?

Martinez